Anything Goes : Taking A LONG break by John Young

John Young

Taking A LONG break

Since I started this path of a filmmaker, it's been one obstacle I have not been able to over-come (no matter how much I tried to fool myself into thinking I had)... My personality. So I'm hanging up the filmmaking gloves. I'm having too much trouble getting things done. I already expected slow progress because I had to learn all about filmmaking first while slowly buying all my equipment, but the one thing I didn't take into account while going down this filmmaking career path was my personality. It doesn't fit the filmmaker lifestyle. So in order to become a filmmaker, I will have to focus my energy elsewhere to fix the problem.

Rik Carter

Sorry to hear this, John. I was looking forward to working with you. When you're ready to give it another try let me know. Best to you on your new path.

Julian Nabunya

John that's how we are , push it or else forget about it for ever . other wise that's why people were battling with Thomas the other day when he told them that you need to be 40 + and with cousin in hollywood for your screen play to be read by Holly wood exc . but that's the truth only that ambtious filmmaker does not want to accept it . so Mr if you accept the defeat then bye bye . we meet in hell if you like .

Parker Reeve

How about a little compassion and understanding.

John Young

@Jacqueline - No in a way that is one of the thrills of the industry, and what's life without a little thrill... The problem is myself. I'm a quiet, keep to myself, never really goes anywhere type of person. While that has left me to my thoughts allowing me to explore my imagination and come up with (in my opinion) amazing stories, it has also left me with a lack of social skills beyond the internet... Which are obviously needed to be in the film industry.

John Young

@Julian - No matter how many times you PUNCH a brick wall it won't come down, so I intend to learn to operate a wrecking ball... I'll never accept defeat, it's more like retreating to regroup as I have entered the battlefield unprepared.

John Young

@Rik - Sorry about that Rik, I just kept running into reoccurring issues that lead back to the same cause each time, so if the new path doesn't steal my heart from filmmaking I should be making a return with the much needed improvement. Thanks for the well wishes.

John Young

@Parker - Thanks Parker, I appreciate that... I actually expected far worse than that. People love and hate to see someone in their field go. Love that any competition is lessened, but hate to see a fellow filmmaker give up since they (in most cases) understand the struggle.

Julian Nabunya

@ Then get prepared , most of us come into this biz with out a second thought , i must confusse i declared producing two of my scripts with out any experience in mobilising funds for non profit making venture , but when i come down to get funds i realised making a film in Uganda is non profit venture than profit making period . well my films has the kind of content they want , but i never realised that sending emails and making dairly phone calls to international charity orgs and diplomatic houses in this state is this hard , their office door keeper broke me day and night but i will never give up . if they can not open when am decent i guess they will open when am wired . so Mr your not the only one in this pocket, we are all struggling to fly out , if you can read the hottest discussion on stage 32 lounge to day , you will know that its not that easy for most of us if not all of us .

Julian Nabunya

@ Jacqueline Where darling ?

Julian Nabunya

@ Jacquline i have found it hard to understand what your talking about dearest . sorry but i don't get it . i thought like any other screen writer you just place a hit direct to your point . and the audience interpret it in their own way , but any way its not bad to criticise other people's work how ever i find it more useful to do my own work than wasting time in other people's business , i hope you can let me help you where you got it wrong . i will be happy to direct you to any translator in my hands may be you can understand what i meant dearest . Julian

Parker Reeve

I have no clue why Julian is being so harsh on John. He is expressing his personal feelings in a public forum so I guess attacks are to be expected. But her attacks seem entirely unfounded as if John deciding to give up filmmaking for a while is a personal insult to her: "so Mr if you accept the defeat then bye bye . we meet in hell if you like . " and " so Mr your not the only one in this pocket, we are all struggling to fly out"

Julian Nabunya

@ Parker i did n't intend to be harsh to John , not even on any cost in my life , why would i be ? even if he needs to quit that's his problem "personal " i think , besides i don't think he would need to announce that in here , but any way , my point was to make a joking statement in here after all i picked subtext in this , that John is joking , if you could remeber well , few month ago , John wanted to throw the towel , now he asking when to quit , and even in his ever post he said, he will have to work some where else , then fix Film cost , meaning he has plan B for progressing his project , besides he has admitted that he won't accept defeat in this very thread already , so why woudn't i make jokes in this thread as well ? after all i know nothing wrong or different happened to him , what he said is very one's song and not only in this business but every where in the whole world , any way am sorry if i was harsh to any one or even him[ Mr . John Young ] . Please For Give Me

Rachael Saltzman

@John - I feel your pain, honestly. It is a tough thing to get past if you want to work in this business. Took me years. If you want it, you'll do it.

John Young

@Julian - I hold no grudges. I'm not exactly ASKING when to call it quits, I was merely titling the thread... But again I must say I hold no grudges, after all it is a public thread and it is tagged "anything goes", plus I have a youtube channel (where some of the toughest critics reside) so I have thick enough skin to take a little negativity (intended or unintended).

Julian Nabunya

@ John thanks for understanding it .

Sean Martin

@john you have to be in this for the art. feed back is hard but we all need it to grow in life and in our art.( not to quote batman but) We fall to learn how to pick ourselfs back up. You have a great films in you. You just need to get it out or we all will have lost a great filmmaker. And filmmaking is not a life style its your gift to the world. dont be hold back personlity put it in your film. Film is one of the places personality is key. Think if tim park and jack warner the same personality warner bro would be a mall parking lot. we need a john young to make the next outsider or casablance. DON'T just dont we guy like you.

John Young

@Sean - Thanks for the motivation, it's truly appreciated. My reason for making the decision isn't because I got bad feedback though, I take all feedback and use it to improve. Instead it is because in person I'm kind of passive. I don't approach people, I prefer not to ask for help, I'm basically a loner with ideas... My new journey should/will help with that, forcing me to interact with people and possibly make reliable friends in the process. It will also give me an actual talent in which I'd be able to apply to films upon return, assuming I'd still love it the same after a long hiatus. I just think it'd be easier and faster to focus on one thing at a time, so for the time being I have to let filmmaking go.

Cory Wess

Frankly John, your personality and any associated problems it may cause you will follow you into any field. It sounds like you've invested a lot of time learning this field and branding yourself as a filmmaker. There is a way you can continue that and not have to change your personality too much. If you are producing, you must be extroverted and aggressive. If you are unwilling to train yourself to be extroverted, then producing is not the right role for you; nor is directing. Don't freelance either. Get a job in post. Then you can keep to yourself, only working with a few people. Or you could get a job as a writer. Or a grip. There are thousands of roles in the film industry. Get a job doing whatever you are good at that is also an introverted role. Ps. I'm a born introvert and a trained extrovert. Cold approaching strangers in public, and sales calls are the fastest ways I've found to change my nature. It is hard, but effective.

John Young

Putting a team together requires social skills, the ability to explain your vision in a way each person on that potential team can understand AND be excited for... Or else they will lose interest and nothing will get done (speaking from experience). Please don't think this post is because filmmaking is not easy enough for me. I'm a hard worker and when things don't work out I find a way to make them within my abilities. At this point in time I do not have the abilities to make things work out so I am basically (as Cory mentioned) training myself to be extroverted. I just find it easier to learn when whatever it is I'm trying to learn has my full attention. @Cory - Thanks for the suggestions, I wouldn't mind being a writer if I had a regular to film my scripts. It's frustrating to come up with original ideas and characters, only to have the story sit on your computer's hard drive not being used. But perhaps if this plan doesn't work out as expected I will try my hand at a less aggressive position in film... The funny thing about you mentioning the different outlets in film, is that's usually how I try to convince people (mostly family) to help me. They often say they can't because they can't act (as if that's all there is to filmmaking), as soon as I try to give them suggestions (usually catering to the talents of theirs I know of) they lose interest... unreliable "team".

Steven Douglas Brown

As a writer, with more than a few stories sitting on my comp's hard drive, all I can add is it takes patience, commitment, and a little luck. Posting here is a first step toward getting what you want accomplished eventually. Keep at it! I write every day and hope a story makes its way to the right hands. If not, I always have the story itself, an accomplishment in itself. It can hurt, it can be painful, but it can also be worth it...if you keep trying! Good luck!

Chuck Dudley

"also left me with a lack of social skills beyond the internet..." John... try writing comedy. :-) Don't toss in the towel yet my friend.

Lina Jones

John, It is hard out there do you know how many people are doing this or wish they could walk one ioda in your shoes dude? If its truly in you, you won't be able to give it up. So just rest for a moment and see where your mind takes you. http://on.fb.me/HC0C3Y #SWEETWEETS @videoBL http://bit.ly/IBK3Jw

John Young

@Floyd - "What does being an introvert have to do with making film?" A quiet reserved person can't just "get" people to make a movie for them. They can ask, but it comes back to being confident and assertive when speaking to people. If you don't come off as someone who's confident in what he's doing, you will appear awkward and uninteresting (I've experienced it). I even have trouble getting family to help (as you can see from the credits of my shorts) so you can probably imagine it'd be more difficult to convince a stranger. I did not say it would be easy nor did I expect it to be, but I'm quite positive that because of the lack of social skills it is harder than it has to be. That's is why I'm taking the break, to develop my social skills. @Chuck - I've tried, I'm not really that funny. It seems funny in my head but when I read it back after writing it I find myself scrapping it because I can't even get a chuckle out of myself. For some that's the easier things to write, but for me it's one of the more difficult. I use comedic undertone sure, but usually stay within genres I love instead of like.

W Siegfried Jerrett

Hi John, I too am quite introverted and struggled to get anyone to work with me on my project, that is why I am making a one man feature film! I don't think you do not need social skills to succeed, they help but are not necessary. IMHO there are two key skills you do need - 1 determination, NEVER give up, take a break sure, but never give up. 2 - flexibility, if you come up against an obstacle you can go around, over, under or through. Through is usually the hardest and the most common choice, staring straight at the problem trying to bash through it, come around the side and try a different approach. My original feature script was for a cast of three, when I couldn't get anyone involved I wrote a new script with a cast of one. Take 5, give yourself a treat, then come back and try flipping everthing on its head and come at it from a different way, good luck brother :-)

Mika Tran

Hi John, I'm an introvert too and a filmmaker. I understand your struggles. Have you read the book 'Quiet' by Susan Cain. It's about introverts and their (often overlooked) contributions to this world. Here's a link to a TED talk she did about the topic. http://www.ted.com/talks/susan_cain_the_power_of_introverts.html. I think it might offer you an alternative point of view and assist you on your journey.

MJ Brewer

John, the decision is yours. If it is not an urge that keeps you burning, you are wasting your time and should quit. If, however, it is a hunger that is unsatisfied you have no choice but to continue, or it will eat you alive.

Yashowardhan Kauns

Hey John, You're definitely a very sensitive person (congratulations) and I'm sure a true artist too. But your comment doesn't specify about what kind of problems you face. If they're totally due to your own personality then I think it won't make much difference as you'll find people more or less the same in every walk of life. Film world is no different. Any business/job which has great potentials for money, fame and glamour, will always be full of such people. But all that said and done, you shouldn't get disheartened. I (personally) feel that there is always a room for every person, be it little or more. If you're confident about your skills and have patience then keep pursuing it. It may not fetch you a big name but still you'll be contented as you would be doing what you wanted to. Please do think. All the best. Yash.

Tommy Nelson

John, I can certainly relate to your problems. Everything you're saying is exactly what I was going through for years. I avoided a big film school after high school because of my anxiety and I even turned down a few potentially career advancing opportunities when I first moved to LA. So, I certainly have regrets caused by my lack of social adequacy. Some people just do not understand the difficulty in simply not being able to interact and socialize like we need to do in this industry. The most frustrating part for me was the inability to pitch and explain my stories in a coherent way let alone an entertaining and exciting way. I think it's good that you're stepping back to help yourself gain these needed qualities. However, don't leave it all completely. Keep writing! Keep your ideas and obvious passion fresh. Like Steven said, 'It can't hurt'. Pure talent is hard to come by and we can't let it go to waste. For me, I was able to get a part time job as a salesman of a product I had absolutely no interest or knowledge of. I forced myself to interact with people and it was hard, but it's working. I'm finding myself more and more comfortable speaking and mingling with strangers. This is a tough, tough industry and making it harder on ourselves is just asking too much. Good luck!

Heidi Haaland

John - the idea that you aren't cut out for filmmaking because of your perceived lack of social finesse is a false and limiting one. Initially, I thought you were revealing something entirely different - lack of follow-through, drugs/alcohol/gambling problem or a partner that was undermining your efforts. The filmmaker as larger-than-life social animal has very little foundation in reality. Google up a list of nominees for any of the major awards. I'll wait. See? They're just like you, as are many other Stage32 members. We are bombarded in a day with more information and stimuli than our earlier ancestors dealt with in a month. That's why people have the problems listed above. It's not you. You're good. Keep going.

Matt Milne

The successful industry consists almost entirely of social misfits, the seriously and manically depressed, Asperger's, autistic, dyslexic and any number of other conditions. It's our unique perspective and clarity of expression that gives us creative value.

Chuck Dudley

John -- you responding to all these comments... you're being... well SOCIAL! Now get back to writing! :-)

Stevanne Auerbach

Good to share as everyone feels isolated at times. Each exchange is really valuable. Want to simply add Start small with one project that is a short perhaps. I recall John Lassister (Toy Story) started with a 5 minute animation (toy) that got attention. Now i see Oscarshorts are compiled and being shown. Just saw Fresh Guacamole and its amazing. smile and DONT GIVE UP! just find what is possible/reasonable to start.

Julian Nabunya

eh.. i didn't think it was this serious , but it seems some thing is happening here . but any way i can't blame it to John . i know , not all of us continue holding it upright even when we know that its not working as we planned . you can give it a break as you want , may be reconstruction of your plan might be useful off that break . good luck .

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