Filmmaking / Directing : Production Budget: Not applicable? by Shane M Wheeler

Shane M Wheeler

Production Budget: Not applicable?

After cruising around box office mojo a while, been finding a ton of films with no listed production budget. It's obvious these films had some kind of budget, but I'm curious if anyone knows what this means, why it happens, etc. as opposed to a release of some sort of budget number? (If anyone knows a better place to ask this, feel free to let me know in comments.)

Jack Binder

Traditionally producers, studios and indies prefer to keep their budget numbers private for a variety of reasons. When they are available it is usually due to an article or report by someone involved in the production, agents, pr people, etc. Having your budget public undercuts your negotiations with vendors and crew (on the high side) while also devaluing your film for distributors (on the low side) so it is not in their best interest to make public.

Shane M Wheeler

Thanks Jack, that's exactly the kind of information I was curious about. Hard to make comparisons to phantom budgeted films, but it's good to know there's a reason.

Jean-Pierre Chapoteau

Go on Wikipedia! They have all of the budgets for major released films. I didn't know that great bit of information until last year.

Geoff Harris

Also, sometimes incorrect budget info is published to give misleading details for various reasons like, allowing the studio to show no profits on a movie and avoid paying residuals, a common practice and other similar things.

Erik A. Jacobson

imdbpro.com will sometimes list budgets for films.

Dave McCrea

A lot of times cheapo productions will post a higher budget too so they can appear more high quality. I don't really get the usefulness of that site boxofficemojo - box office data is pretty useless

Shane M Wheeler

I kind of disagree Dave. It's useful when making comparison's while pitching projects. If you know your movie is like Jack the Giant Slayer, and that Jack the Giant Slayer is a collosal bomb, you avoid that comp, while looking for other better comps. It's good to know the market peripherally if not in depth when you start trying to sell things.

Dave McCrea

ok well I agree that that is a good use Shane

Erik A. Jacobson

Dave has a valid point. High budget independent or studio films will often list their true budgets, but small or micro-budget films seldom do, inflating them instead so that distribs and foreign buyers will pay them more. A higher budget always commands more prestige, that's why. But comparisons need to be based on much more than just budgets, but also on talent before and behind the camera, execution, producer's track record, etc. If you want a good idea of what you can recoup from your film, ask sales agents what your budget, genre, and talent will bring from domestic and foreign markets. They'll level with you.

Shane M Wheeler

Good to know Erik. To clarify, I was disagreeing with the second part, not the first, but this is rather good information to know.

Regina Lee

Awesome posts. Respectfully, one slight point of disagreement. For all the reasons already discussed by others, most studio movies understate their budgets in the event that they are forced to comment on them. Anyone looks like a smart businessperson if he/she spent a small amount to make a larger profit. The higher the spend, the smaller the margin. So executives tend to report a lower spend to make his/her margin look healthier.

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