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Emily, it would be great if your questions were accompanied with some sort reasoning as to why you were asking them such as: - the last couple of writers I spoke to seemed to be a bit up themselves, or - I've struggled to write characters of the opposite sex, anybody else have this problem?, etc. I'm very disinclined to respond to these sorts of questions that seem a bit random.
Well personally I feel that several I have encountered were quite full of themselves and even hedging to borderline snooty and elusive..fortunately I have been able to connect with some who are more realistic and human
All writers are assholes!.. Wait... LOL!
Most are full of something.
No ...... BURP... Just bacon sanders and coffee, loads of black coffee....
Sarnies not sanders... Hate this auto correct ....
Sarnie? Are you an aussie?
I've been going to writer's forums for years and I tend to either need a break for a few months at a time or just leave because, YES, many wannabe writer's are utterly full of themselves.
Most writers I know are humble, with the exception of one novelist who is up herself, because she has written a string of successful books. Most writers I have met at conferences are approachable, down-to-earth people. The stuck-up ones tend to stand out of the crowd. Some "writing legends" are famous for being full of themselves. I shan't mention any names. I don't know that writers can afford a big ego because it's such a tough business, but maybe, as with so many, success goes to their heads. "Never believe your own publicity," I say. Most of the screenwriters on here are endearingly and acceptably modest, in my view. Remember - your script can be (and often is) rewritten. And as William C. Martell says, "Never judge a script by its movie as they often bear no resemblance." lol
It depends. I have a lot of respect for writers who have paid their dues and worked their asses off to get where they are. What I find annoying are all the wannabe writers out there who haven't sold a damn thing or even placed in a contest or ANYthing, who act like they know EVERYthing. And they act like their work is the holy grail and someone is going to "steal it" (giant eye roll). So dumb.
I reject the proposition of generalizing any population - any race, religion, gender, or career choice!
No. We're full of doubts.
Exactly Jody, it's the 'aspiring' ones that are full of it. I have not met a working writer who is.
Ummmm, aren't most of us either considered "aspiring" or "amateur" by industry standards?—just saying respectfully and not directed at anyone in particular. There's 80,000+ screenwriters on this site! LOL! Personally, I think if a writer is "full of themselves" it truly boils down to their individual personality. :)
I don't think so but perhaps as mentioned above it's the more "aspiring" ones with that behavior.
The "full of themselves" folks I run into, tend not to be writers but people who want me to write their "EPIC" ideas into screenplays for them and they think I'll be happy to do it for free because it's SUCH a great idea "it will make millions and we'll be rich." When I tried to politely tell someone like this that I already had a full slate, I was told, "Once you read my great idea, you'll want to drop everything to do MINE!"
LOL Lisa they are out there. Come across people like that on every forum I have visited. You just can't tell them anything.
Beth so what if there are 80,000 aspiring writers on here? What does that have to do with the topic? Are you saying I can't accuse aspiring writers of being full of it? John there is a difference to what you suggest and it's been discussed before at length so I won't bother again. I've made it clear what I think of wankers.
Just pointing out that's a lot of people to cast a generalization upon, that's all. Again, it wasn't directed at anyone, as I said. :)
Lisa, great to see you! That's hilarious!—a helluva pick up line too! LOL!
That is incredibly unfair and I have been witnessing a lot of toxic discussions the past few days. The only people I've been avoiding are the ones who give little to no advice and blow your work off like it is a piece of tissue paper, without even reading the log-line. Everybody is different. What about first time users to this website? Do people honestly expect every writer to have credits and accolades? Such an ambiguous question, and not very relevant or beneficial to anybody here. I've met a screenwriter and a mother of three, an aspiring crime actor, producers and directors from all walks of life, all friendly and down to earth people. Some with substantial work, and some without. We are here to listen and give constructive criticism, not chastise and point the finger.
Back to the original question: "Are most writers full of themselves?" Emily, perhaps that's best determined on an individual basis. Personally, most writers I've met online, in person, shared scripts and ideas with have been very generous—writers from all different levels. However, I do agree about this being a toxic subject...
I don't know why anyone writing screenplays would be full of themselves.
Screenwriters do play a very important role but they have no power. The person with the gold has all the power. I don't like it but that is the way it is.
Indeed, we are important but the producers and director get final say! Remember the joke... How many screenwriters does it take to change a lightbulb? It doesn't matter, the Director will change it anyway!
Oh and hey, it IS a collaborative business. It helps to get along and work together to get a film made. I find that the producer/director I work with most often appreciates it when I listen to what he wants, disagree kindly if he's off base, and say it all with a smile haha!
No, we just embody powerful perceptions from many selves.
I full of fear and dreams, of trying to write , fighting rejection , creativity , and &%&^%^ . But the question should be " Do you want to be full? or do you want to be empty?"
Most the screenwriters I've come across that are really full of themselves are the ones that have never made a penny writing screenplays. They still think screenwriting is something it's not.
Simply put, my cup runneth over.
We are full of doubts. Or not. I don't know. I'll Google it....
I. Am. Awesome. But I am also a liar. Or am I....
Not in my experience, I'm a literary editor and I have clients from all walks of life and I've found them all to be humble, down to earth and great to work with. I'm sure there are some writers in the world who have bad attitudes, I certainly wouldn't want to work with people that won't listen, take advice or be civil and respectful.
No I use to arrogance as I weapon to negative feedback. When deep down I was very broken. Maybe some are but those are just my two cents.
Kathleen- I was 1 sex scene and $50K short of winning a Raspberry Award! Let the "armchair" critics teach and publish. U do what u do :)
I'm not full of myself at all. But you have to believe in yourself. If you don't, why are you even trying to break into this business?
There is a difference between confidence and full of crap. Sometimes it is hard to tell.
And while you worry about others scribbling they may have completed a screenplay, original teleplay, a spec. teleplay. , have some start-up happening, made some other stuff, imagineered, acquired a few agents, producers, got bored and are trying to pay it forward with genuine help instead of living simply in the world they create both fantasy and practical in-person reality. Just saying, could be that scenario but you're right the first few years writers should primarily write or maybe this Stage 32 stuff could also be that thing where writer's don't get full of themselves but embody the powerful perceptions of many selves surrounding themselves with many selves that do the same. Heck if I know. I just see what people scribble on here.
I think every writer starts out thinking they're a genius even if they don't realize it. Getting a few passes and you'll know if you have the will to succeed. I try to take all the advice I can from anyone, but I take it with a grain of salt.
Personally I never seek feedback from people but I agree people should never let anyone destroy their desire. Some people that don’t have very much talent become successful and some that are very talented never make it. I don’t know if it has anything to do with management or smart moves or just plain luck. I think it really comes down to doing this long enough that you are good at it and using your screenplays to meet people that make movies.
Energy Ent(Brooklyn Weaver) is top shelf scotch. High roller. Dreamworks SKG was Spielberg, Katzenberg, Geffen. Different way of business for Billionaires
K those 2 are major MAJOR players. Can't get any more major than Mr. Spielberg.
I have had dealings with Brooklyn. He worked on Extant with Spielberg.
@kathleen. I am British and what they are saying to you is BS. However It would help you immensely to live in the US.
Let's take my incident. In 1994 I needed an open heart operation, but I did not have the money to pay for it. Nor any medical insurance. I wrote to every VHF-TV STATION and radio in the Los Angeles area + CNN, FNC, MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, L.A. TIMES. NATIONAL ENQUIRER, AND OTHERS. Here is my true story, I created the UFO AUDIO VIDEO CLEARING HOUSE IN 1984, in 1994 THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY want UFO footage for a new attraction (Also on you tube) called ALIEN ENCOUNTERS FROM THE NEW TOMORROWLAND. I MADE DISNEY A U-MATIC 3/4" Videotape of UFO footage that I owned the copyright on, My letter to all of the above was perfect right down to Sumner Redstone paying his than wife 455 million for the divorce (He owns CBS and VIACOM) Disney flew me to Disneyworld from the Los Angeles area, and paid me exactly on the 30 day mark, CBS took the same footage, did not mention ALIEN ENCOUNTERS, and aired MOVIE AND TV STARS WHO HAVE SEEN A UFO. Frame for frame it was the EXACT footage my company sold to the Walt Disney Company, I wrote and billed Paramount TV for PIRATING MY UFO FOOTAGE for broadcast (They were caught with their pants down) the rushed me a check for $200.00 (Not $25,000.00 THAT Disney paid me) I need another $23,000.00 to pay for the open heart operation) Paramount would not pay me, Even letters to Sumner Redstone's VIACOM HQ in New York City would not pay me the full amount due. In closing, Are writers full of themselves? Perhaps, but when a Billion dollar corporation like Viacom has to steal copyright footage for a TV show (ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT AIRED APRIL 1, 1994)(No April fools letter folks) it's pretty sad that they did this to me. I had the operation a year later, paid for by the state of California because I could no longer get out of bed with 95% heart blockage. So when a writer writes a letter, at times he just wants justice, which this write did not get, yet at 73 years old I still live. Yet no media outlet would cover this story, why? most likely they did not want to loose advertising from Viacom/CBS/PARAMOUNT...(Can anyone cover the story nation-wide) DAVE AARON-E-MAIL YOUANDUFOS@GMAIL.COM THE UFO AUDIO VIDEO CLEARING HOUSE, (CREATOR)-YOU TUBE, SEARCH DAVE AARON, PLAY EVIDENCE COLLECTOR AUTHOR "HOW TO SPLICE A VHS OR BETA VIDEOTAPE *Out of Print" AUTHOR "HOW TO REPAIR AT HOME A FRONT LOADING VHS OR BETAMAX VIDEORECORDER *Out of print
If you wanna hear BS, you picked the right profession
K Are you pitching to Dreamworks the company, or a guy who works at Dreamworks, looking to do Indie projects on the side?
Kathleen: I'm an American living in Austin and currently working with a director in Auckland New Zealand. The world is our oyster and never limit yourself geographically. So I would disagree with anyone rendering counsel stating otherwise. And, I'd be happy to spout BS anytime you like. Cheers my UK friend.
K if you sell your script to Dreamworks, every Agent/Manager/Lawyer in Hollywood would jump for a piece of your action. Your approach is different. Dont know if you are naive or plain ballsy. Let us know how it goes. Best of Luck.
Kathleen, I agree with Phillip that as a screenwriter you don't need to limit yourself geographically. If you really want to break into Hollywood as a screenwriter try attaching a director and use their connections and film credits to open those doors that are currently closed to you.
Philip is from Texas, everything there is Big! steaks, women, the 10gallon cowboy hats are really 20gallon, and of course their BS is bigger! It s Texas baby! God, Country(Texas), guns, football! :)))) just messing with you, Philip! U the Godfather! Im just a street soldier :)))))))
K I dont know shit. Never been in a room with Dreamworks, Spielberg, or Mr Brooklyn Weaver. I know a few people who have. 3rd person stories. Friend of friend urban legend stories. I hope you do sell. I want my free dinner, either at Craft in NYC or Mastros in Beverly Hills. Dont worry. I wont order off the menu :)
@Kathleen - You seem confident that by asking someone to become your manager, it will happen. Finding a good manager is just as difficult as finding an Agent. You will need either an impending deal, on a killer script or a body of work that shows talent and contains killer scripts. On the subject of Brooklyn, we met a few times and he wanted to manage me at one time, lets just leave it at that.
They are 2 good places to eat. Im not an "Ivy" guy. Im easy on the budget, either 3 michelin stars or a food truck. Dont care. Just care about good company.
This thread has gone way off topic. Please return to the OP's original discussion question, or perhaps start a new thread topic. Thanks. :)
I think the Star Wars reference is about your character. Is your female character a "MARY SUE" type, does she always kicks ass, outsmarts the foe, and never loses? Kinda like a Tomb Raider/Lara Craft? sitting on a shelf for 3 years is actually 'fast' track. Look at big business picture. 2016 year is over. 2017 year of studio release movies have been announced. Top Actors (talent) are working on 2017-8 projects now. You are aiming for 2018 for a 2019 release date. You want to cut the line? My advice make your main character Asian and head over to Asia. They got a huge, growing CGI/efxs/Animation business. Like a Car assembly line. Cheap workers & Crew.
I know Beth wants this back on track, even though, IMHO the subject matter has run it's course, but to answer the subtext of what your dreamwork dude is saying.... It's a pass. If he/she had wanted you to make the changes and come back they would have said so. It's time to move on. It was just his/her opinion, and some of what he/she said may resonate and need attention, but if you believe in the story and the world, stick with it.
No. No more than anybody else or any other group. IMO.
Yes, it has run its course... All the more reason to start a new thread as it has now become Kathleen's. If I could break this thread into two to separate its now two subjects, I would. LOL! Kathleen, perhaps in the future, start a new thread if pulling a thread into another discussion or direction. It's not fair to the original poster. :)
Kathleen, yes, the thread took a turn. Still. I ask to bring the thread back to topic, or, again, start a new thread with a new topic, perhaps: What has your experience been working with a manager? :)
Kathleen, one of my assigned duties as a moderator is to help threads return to topic when they stray—that's it. It's not personal. No one is asking you to leave. And I was merely making a friendly suggestion.