Screenwriting : Let's talk storytelling… by Shawn Speake

Shawn Speake

Let's talk storytelling…

MAD MAX FURY ROAD… I loved it. It's everything I'm looking for in a big dumb action movie. My friends disagreed - wanted more backstory. What are your thoughts on the storytelling?

Mariano Amézaga

What storytelling? I couldn´t uderstand at any point what was going on. Everything was just BOOM BOOM BOOM all the time. Yeah, it had everything I expected from a dumb action movie, that means absolutely NOTHING. But I guess people these days don´t expect anything but nonsense action without any depth. Reallly, it makes me sick that they spend 150 million bucks on this crap. I could have spend it better than that. Without a doubt they will recover that money in the gross though, no doubt about that, because they know what audiences want to see and how absurdly low their expectations are.

Owen Mowatt

I think that you went into this with totally the wrong mindset, mate. It was a BLAST, it was EXCITING, It was Mad Max, what were you expecting?? It wasn't a deep story nor plot but not every film needs to be. Also, there are many other aspects to this film that can be appreciated. The Cinematography, Stunts, Costume and Set Design for example were all excellent.

CJ Walley

The backstory is coming in prequel and comic book form. Warner Bros are selling rollercoaster tickets until then.

Michael L. Burris

Since I write a lot all the time getting into nuances and story I actually love these visually stunning endeavors where you don't have to think or be inspired by anything other than the visuals. I mean if you expect to go to a movie for some cerebral experience don't go to an action movie.

Anthony Cawood

Saw it a couple of hours ago and loved it, visually stunning, some of the best stunts and physical effects I've seen in a long time. But my expectations were high, they always are if someone is re-booting something I like, they mere smashed out of the park. Story and script were relatively minimal... so - they were in keeping with Mad Max 1 and 2, which is fine by me, as sometimes you just want explosions, the smell of petrol in your nostrils (well nearly) and action scenes that make your jaw drop. Tonight I'm watching Maps to the Stars, so will get a fix for the more subtle and dramatic, a return to balance before the day is over ;-)

Shawn Speake

Visually stunning would be my number one compliment as well. Gangs racing, swinging up and down on long poles is some crazy sh..! I didn't understand the breast milk, though? What was that all about?

Owen Mowatt

To pour over their dead skin cornflakes of course. Hmmm I don't understand what you haters are complaining about. There has been SEVEN of those logic, gravity and physics defying Furious films. Go flip your wig over them and leave Max alone.

Shawn Speake

lol! What's good, Owen!

Owen Mowatt

300 and Sin City visually stunning???? You do realise they were basically screen savers, right? I read that some of the 300 had digitally added abs!!?!?!?!?!? LOL!

Shawn Speake

Just for the record, I like everyone's comments just for contributing! Thanks for checking in. This is for the creatives who hate the story: That script is on your desk - what do you do to make it a great story?

CJ Walley

Worth noting that Fury Road wasn't actually developed from a script. It was built and sold on storyboards. Also worth noting a lot of Pappagallo's backstory with the Seven Sisters and travelling out to the compound was pulled from Roadwarrior when it went into production. Happy to enter the thunderdome with anybody on here over MadMax.

William Martell

This is the FOURTH film in the series. The other three are the backstory.

Shawn Speake

I was a bit confused about the way the story is built with two heroes. I'd need another watch to figure out the structure on the 'heroes'.

Shawn Speake

Here's another question on structure? Didn't MAX hit all Save The Cat beats? I think so… Did anyone else count out the STC beats?

CJ Walley

It's not part of the existing timeline. Everything has been very significantly developed but it's coming out via a prequel and comic books.

David E. Gates

A truly great sequel requires that you didn't need to see anything that came before it. Aliens and Mad Max 2 are great examples of this as the movies can stand alone. Whilst I enjoyed Fury Road immensely, the lack of any significant character background - why was the midget in the chair ruling everything/everyone? - left me wanting.

Owen Mowatt

He was the brother of the guy in the mask, so his power came from association I imagine.

Leslie Stockton

It is a classic and would not matter how dumb action movie it was. It's fan base is so large and varied they had a win win.

Chanel Ashley

The diverse comments are interesting - I agree with William Martell, the 3 previous are the backstory, the first in particular re his wife and child killed - Bix, I think you expected too much, I thought it was an excellent example of SHOW NOT TELL, I didn't find it that difficult a task to grasp what was happening because it was devoid of dialogue - Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron were adequate, but I thought they lacked real charisma and gravitas, I didn't see her as the new Ripley - it was meant to be a "visual feast for the eyes" and George Miller succeeded in that department - while this effort is more sophisticated, I LOVED the original with Mel Gibson - this film is hugely iconic in Australia, most of us were brought up on it whether on screen, TV or DVD - David E. Gates, your comment re sequels standing alone has merit, but the movies you used as an example didn't come out 30 odd years apart, either - I enjoyed it for what it was, and that wasn't brain-food, nor was it meant to be - George is a brilliant director, especially his incredible storyboards.

CJ Walley

I can assure you the first three films are not the backstory for Fury Road. Even Thunderdome broke the original timeline. Then there were the novels and Miller's interviews which confused things further. At best Fury Road replaces Road Warrior as a sort of franchise reboot that's started in the middle. As I've said a couple of times now, we're getting backstories on Max and Furiousa in various forms. Sorry to bleat one. I've been following the development of this movie for around thirteen years now and the timeline question has come up on a near weekly basis.

Chanel Ashley

The first three films define the character of Mad Max and his motivation, and the first explains his "flashbacks" in Fury Road re the fate of his wife and daughter- the timeline may be bent, it's not an exact science, but in essence, I am comfortable that it is sufficient backstory - I don't think this film was meant to be a mental exercise, but an almost poetic, visual experience - that's what I saw.

Shawn Speake

I totally don't get this now. I think every movie should stand on it own and you shouldn't have to know anything going in. Why do all of these other stories matter so much? I don''t understand…

David E. Gates

If a movie sequel is released thirty years after the original or last in the series, that's even more reason why it should be able to stand alone. Even Prequels, like Prometheus, break their own universe's rules or disregard details.

Melonie Zarko

I haven't seen it yet, but I'll have to rent it now! I'm a fan of funny action movies, growing up in the 80s and 90's. Mad Max was on Vhs we owned. I've seen it it 100's of times. My brother and I, on road trips to camping, could recite the entire movie and cast of characters in the camper. The only other movie we memorized by heart was Weird Science to act out on those trips! Being in the back of a travel camper, while your parents are in the cab of the truck - electronics didn't exist back then! Nintendo was just being born and if you had a computer - well it wasn't coming with you. You had to do something to pass the time. Can't wait to see it!

CJ Walley

That's cool, Melonie. My sister and I used to watch RoadWarrior all the time too.

Phillip "The Genuine Article" Hardy

I think the original "Road Warrior" is a masterpiece. It has great acting, atmosphere, action and humanity. I hope what made that film great didn't get lost in all the bigger, better CGI and budget. So far, I've heard great things about it.

Cherie Grant

I'll be honest...I had no idea there was such a fan following of Mad Max. I didn't think it was so highly regarded.

Chanel Ashley

Cherie, I'm shocked, I thought Victorians were civilised and brought up on Mad Max films like the rest of us, lol.

William Martell

Lots of story, just not much dialogue. So you have to watch the movie.

Cherie Grant

Chanel, to be honest I thought it was a rather poorly done film in every respect and thought that was the general concensus. This was when I was a teen so I'd have to watch it again to see what I think now, but honestly, it so does not appeal to me in anyway what so ever. That said I did love the Tina Turner song in one of the later films.

Chanel Ashley

Cherie, the quality is a little rough around the edges, but there was something about it - not only Mel Gibson, but what about Steve Bisley, the motorcycle cop and Max's friend, Goose - geez, I was going to send you my current script to review, not sure now, it's about what a baby would look like if it was a child by Transformers, lol.

Sanjeev Gupta

superb film

Eoin O'Sullivan

Saw it last night. Disappointing. The subtitle to 'The Hobbit' comes to mind in summing up the entire film, 'there and back again'. While the visuals are great, the whole affair just lacks substance. I just didn't care and the reason I didn't care is because I didn't know who these characters were, what motivated them or what the hell was at stake, if did or didn't achieve their goal. If I wanted just pure visuals, I'd play a video game or watch UFC.

Phillip "The Genuine Article" Hardy

Eoin: When I saw the trailer, I got the impression that the film would be exactly what you described. To me, this is really an example of what three decades can do to a concept like MM. Again, the first two films were innovative and had plenty of action. Yet now, many big noisy films like Transformers absolutely choose big effects and distractions of substance. Sort of a modern day provide them bread and circuses mentality.

Joe Giambrone

Act one: Max is captured and turned into a "blood bag" at a post apocalyptic cult. Act two: Furiosa becomes the protagonist, escapes to the east with the five wives. Max is freed, and he reluctantly helps them in their escape to the green place. Act three: The green place is no more. They decide to return to the Citadel and take over, but they must defeat the cult leader and his army. Max joins them. At the end, after they win, he escapes back to roam the desert wasteland.

Anthony Cawood

@John that's inflation for you ;-)

Anthony Cawood

Sure was, something like $1m generatred $100m, MM4 won't have quite the same ROI but it's doing well at the box office... I'll be doing my bit at the weekend when I go see it for the second time ;-)

Owen Mowatt

Me too! To hell with you haters!!!!!! :)

Stuart Wright

Do people want it on a plate? There was plenty of depth to go with the big action. Try men and capitalism for starters... Men destroy the world and with their brawn and selfishness they create a base version that subjugates the masses for their privilege ... The strong women characters in it shone brightly ... The lack of romance vs comradeship and respect was a real pleasant surprise. Plenty reviews argue it's the first feminist action film ... I say bring on more of thrm

Stuart Wright

And Joe's three act break down tells it how I saw it ... What back story did all that need?

Anthony Cawood

@Owen - lol @Stuart, agree... I thought there was plenty of story shown, implied, hinted at... and then you just extrapolate, a really good example of show not tell... agree re feminist action film, not sure it's the first but it is very strong... and lets not forget this is an Action film... and for me the Action was insanely good!

Stuart Wright

@anthony ... Exactly :)

Leslie Stockton

You should be discussing SAN ANDREAS .. that is a noteworthy movie. The special effects are amazing, and yes the acting is great also. Just had to say. If this is allowed. Thank you all and have a great day. :)

Stuart Wright

Start a San Andreas thread :)

Leslie Stockton

Stuart I can not figure this out. I contacted support but never heard back. they must dumb it down a bit for me i guess lol lol How?? i don't see a feed or stream?? ... or a place to post ..i did once by accident .. lol lol hehe ..

Jean-Pierre Chapoteau

San Andreas looks dreadful. I've seen snippets of the original Mad Max. Guys on big trucks killing each other. That's what I got from it. I watched the reboot or whatever you want to call it. It was pretty awesome. I don't understand why anyone would go in to it looking for substance. It's freaking guys, and pregnant women, on big trucks killing each other. If you were looking for hardcore character development I think you walked into the wrong theater. Max hated himself for letting his family die. He then aided these random group of women so they can survive. I think his character developed enough.

Leslie Stockton

do not allow snippets to cloud or fool you Jean-Pierre ... the effects will blow everyone away .. thanks :)

Stuart Wright

Leslie ... See San Andreas thread started just for you ;) It's in screenwriting

Leslie Stockton

How do i find it Stuart??? You are a doll, thank you so much. Now tell me how to find it?? so nice of you truly :)

Beth Fox Heisinger

Leslie, to find the "San Andreas" post/thread go to the "Film & TV Discussion" section of the Lounge. :)

Leslie Stockton

Ms. Beth can you please link me??? It would be so much easier. I even posted something else and can't find it. lol lol Thank u so very much .. Have a great weekend. :)

Stuart Wright

Lounge and then screenwriting ... Simples

Leslie Stockton

You are such a dear Stuart, thank you so much. <3 have a fun weekend :) oh and u also Beth .. :)

Peter Nørgaard

Dear lovers and haters. The BASIC idea is a must for a movie. If you hate it or love it, well ... Just respect peoples choices. Lot´s of storytelling need BASIC ideas. There´s no good taste or bad taste. But there´s great culture and crab culture. Let´s discuss BASIC ideas for a story ... and - e.g. - what´s the basic idea for your next new chair..? In Denmark & Scandinavia 1300 years ago, clever women and men developed the basic idea for the Longships. And 500 years before Columbus, the Vikings did not said hallo to the "indians", but hi to the Americans. Maybe the Americans said: "Nice Longship ... what´s the basic idea..?". Great culture, dear haters or lovers. Or..? Hi and love to all of you (so far ;-), from the Vikings and Peter

Anthony Cawood

Loving the idea of crab culture, assume this is exemplified in Spongebob and similar oceanic treats?

Peter Nørgaard

Go on, Anthony, thank´s ... Haven´t seen the Spongebob thing. What´s a basic idea..? From your p.o.v. "There´s no good taste or bad taste, there´s great culture and crab culture" is a statement. Not an basic idea for a movie, if I (mis)understood your: ? Just like four legs isn´t a basic idea for a new chair. From my p.o.v. Enjoy, Peter P.S. Just saw your 7 (all adapted..?) film exampels. Thought that at least 25 titles could be added, so mine´s only a few from the 40-ties, 50-ties etc. and The Shining as the last. P.P.S. Fine if this conversation (also) could go at Happy Writers place. Do you know how..? If you agree.

Anthony Cawood

@Peter... sorry, in your statement you said 'crab culture', I assume you actually meant 'crap culture'... but the idea of 'crab culture' amused me... so the reference to Spongebob was a joke on my part... then again maybe 'crab culture' is a thing and i'm just not aware of it ;-)

Peter Nørgaard

Thank´s John. Yep, sometimes junkfood works. Enjoy your activities and good luck to your BASIC ideas. Ha ha and more ha ha, Anthony. Don´t sorry me - you know Vikings sometimes write (and speak) crap. Hopefully eating crabs next time, aren´t the crappy ones. How it´s going with your basic ideas..? P.S. Basic ideas can often be harder to work out, than e.g. a logline, as we know all of us. But can you tell me why lot´s af movies (and books etc.) need a great basic idea..? P.P.S "Nice Longships ... what´s the basic idea..?"

Anthony Cawood

@Peter, didn't notice any Vikings talking crap when I visited Oslo a couple of years ago, and loved the Viking Ship Museum - http://www.visitoslo.com/en/product/?TLp=181482&gclid=CJqd-8_918UCFeISww...

Beth Fox Heisinger

Good, sounds like you found the thread, Leslie. :) It was moved to "Film & TV Discussion."

Peter Nørgaard

Hi Anthony. Yes you´re right, the Viking Ship Museum in Oslo is splendid. I´m glad to hear you had a good stay in Oslo without crap, but maybe with crabs..? You and all 32´ers are very welcome to Denmark too. Also to museum@vikingeskibsmuseet.dk - close to Copenhagen. If you search AGGERSBORG (from 975) in northern Denmark - 7 kilometers from our town Løgstør -you´ll find the worlds biggest Vikingplace, where up to 5.000 women, kids and men lived for a few years. From 700 there was a huge Viking settlement, where 20 % was educated to sail around the World, and 80 % worked, had fun and lot´s of kids at AGGERSBORG. "Nice Longships ... what´s the basic idea..? ".

Peter Nørgaard

Sorry for my crap above ... vikingeskibsmuseet.dk will work.

Anthony Cawood

Loved Copenhagen - went to the Pipi Long Stocking museum with my kids, saw the Mermaid another beautiful city!

Anthony Cawood

And went to see MM again tonight... loved it second time round! Thinking of going for a hat trick if I can find it on a proper IMAX somewhere...

Peter Nørgaard

Also good to hear, Anthony ... And that your kids too said hallo to the little mermaid in Copenhagen, inspired, as we know, from one of Hans Christian Andersens basic ideas in The Little Mermaid adventure (destroyed by the Disney adaptation). You also said hi in persons to Astrid Lindgrens basic idea: A super strong little girl living alone in her fun house, believes in herself. And you visit the Pipi Long Stocking Museum located in Sweden, 40 miles from Copenhagen. Did your kids like the Pipi Museum too? Haven´t been there with my daugther, but she read lot´s of Astrid Lindgrens books; know my daugther live and work in NYC - strong but not lonley. We saw nearly all Lindgrens Swedish tv-films. Great culture - not craP /;-) Hopefully the conversations, about the needs of a BASIC idea for each movie etc. will develope some day. Thank´s for a fun conversation - and take care, Peter

Anthony Cawood

We all loved the Pipi Longstocking Museum, definitely worth a visit and great role model for kids.... and thank you too for the conversation!

Peter Nørgaard

Ha Ha ... know = now. Yep, real Viking spelling. P. S. Maybe we can find a basic idea developing this sentence: A young Danish woman with long stockings build her own longship and then..?

Anthony Cawood

sets sail accross the sea on search of...?

Stuart Wright

Don't understand Vikings and spongebob in the context of mad max

Beth Fox Heisinger

Yes, let's return to the thread topic. Thanks guys!

Peter Nørgaard

Dear Beth and Stuart ... I´m on my way to other activities, so just a few words: Your headline, Beth, "Let´s talk storytelling", gave me the lust writing my first response "Dear lovers and haters" - cirkum 15 hours ago - asking for Stagers views on the need for BASIC ideas - and why lot´s of stories seems not to have an BASIC idea. But often very smarty loglines, without a BASIC idea in the ground. Because of my Viking spellings, some fun stuff went on from Anthony - and John came with good advices. But it´s not boring. There´s a kind of storytelling in the concersation. You´re welcome (Okay Anthony..?!) to follow or/and join Anthony and me trying - t r y i n g - developing a BASIC idea to shape our STORYTELLING from the pre-pre-beginning - from the groundfjell so to say. Gruondfjell - a good word. My experience says max. three people writing together in this gruondfjell-phase. Maybe I´m wrong ... Anthony, saw your TXT some hours ago - there´s is something, yes - congrats with this kind of a debut. And thank´s for your last sentence two hours ago. I´m in post with my documentary, "A Doctors Life" about AAge Astruo, 102 years, a REAL Viking still living in his own house (just like Pipi - but no animals ...). Will be back here on monday evening. Next: ... of her roots in Norway, but her father ... Have fun with gravity Stagers and hip hip, Peter

Peter Nørgaard

Sorry Beth, and thank´s for your headline, Shawn. Time to sleep ... shit ran out of coffee ... ahhh ZZZZZZZ

Andrew Martin Smith

Mad Max - I was 25 when I first saw it on the screen and loved this - in your face, all action, original grunge movie. Watched it again last week from a boxed DVD set and the dialogue was awful. The line delivery is dire and oddly out of synch and then it dawned on me that the movie I was watching had been dubbed. I did some research and found that Mad Max was dubbed for release in the US - as the US distributor concluded that an Oz accent would not be readily understood by an American audience. I now need to get my mits on the original Oz version.

Chanel Ashley

Yes, Andrew, it was dubbed re the accent and good for you - I'm certain you will have no trouble acquiring a copy with the original cast speaking, Mel Gibson in particular - here, Steve Bisley as Goose proved hugely popular and on local TV for decades - ironically, I could hear a multitude of Aussie accents in Fury Road, do you guys finally understand, us, lol?

Andrew Martin Smith

We limeys have no probs with an Oz accent. Half our teachers are Australian.

Cherie Grant

Oh god I HATE dubbing. I purchased a DVD once that was dubbed and I spat chips. I'd rather read subtitles than listen to dubbing.

Peter Nørgaard

The headline is "Let´s talk storytelling", but lot´s of the comments is about some parts of Mad Max, about a clip of this and a clip of that ... It can - sometimes - be interesting to read. But where is the conversation about STORYTELLING..? E.g.: From where and how do you develop your BASIC ideas..? All of us got good ideas all the time. But a BASIC idea - from the pre-pre beginning of our activities - must have, hopefully, a strong and long life. To learn from the classics in the filmhistory can help all of us - on all levels - now and for future activities . At The National Filmschool of Denmark, the lessons in filmhistory was amazing and is still very helpfull - also at a practical level. Do you RB and Stage 32 have plans about lessons AND free conversations, concerning developing BASIC ideas inspired from the filmhistory..? Mad Max is tooooooo tiny, to discuss "Let´s talk storytelleing" from. Thx for reading and thinking - enjoy your day ...

Cherie Grant

Relax. Conversations ebb and flow. It goes the way it does. Untighten that sphincter, Peter.

Peter Nørgaard

Several sphincter operations way back learned me to relax, Cherie. Yep, ebbs and flows, but where is the flow right here (+ in both art and industri), concerning great culture based on BASIC ideas..? I wish all Mad Max fans and you a relaxed and fun sunday. In an hour I´m in post with my doc.: "A Doctors Life" (see above if you wanna) - and it´s not about sphincters /;-)

Andrew Martin Smith

Peter - as I write political thrillers with a historical bent - I read a broad sheet newspaper and I collect clippings which I file in a host of folders. So Boko Haram folder, Isal/Isil and so forth. So at the moment I am pitching an action thriller to a Nigerian director - who I have known for donkeys years. All of my best ideas pop up after reading a journalists report. He collates the facts - as he sees them and I weave them into a fictitious and hopefully exciting story. AND THAT IS WHAT STORY TELLING IS ALL ABOUT. And - I usually do this while puffing on a pipe.

Owen Mowatt

So from Mad Max to Sponge-bob Square Pants, now arseholes? If there is ever an award for THE weirdest thread jacking.....

Chanel Ashley

Peter, do they ever use the expressions "a broken record" or "give it a rest" in your country? - No? Let me explain - if you mention "BASIC idea" one more bloody time, GIVE IT A REST, you're sounding LIKE A BROKEN RECORD - please, TALK about storytelling and leave your favourite topic with your National Film School of Denmark - thank you, cheers.

Chanel Ashley

Hey Owen, Spongebob Square Pants is the best, it's pretty good writing - I love Mad Max, certainly not dialogue driven, lol, but both great flicks, both great examples of storytelling - to juxtapose these two different examples of storytelling is brilliant, why knock it? There's room for both - if you want to continue Mad Max, here' one, WHAT WILL THE SEQUEL BE LIKE?

Peter Nørgaard

Hi Andrew ... Good to here from a co-puffer and to read how your ideas work out. What´s your political film- favourites and ditto political thrillers..? Some of mine: Farenheit 451, The Battle of Algier and 1984 (with Richard Burton). Good luck. Hopefully more Stagers will contribute in this thread like yourself, more than being angry or ironic. Because, there is no single way to develop ideas, as all of us know - and there´s big differences between frame ideas and BASIC ideas. Hi Owen ... Maybe you will find a basic idea hidden in your frame idea: "THE weiderst thread jacking" (I´m not ironic!) after reading all the threads comments once more, with a friendly smile. Looking foreward reading your observations & suggestions..! In 15 minutes time and a cop of coffee, the editor and I will drive to our doc´s main character, the former doctor AAge Astrup, 102 years. A real Viking with a great sense of humour.

Beth Fox Heisinger

Peter, Stage 32 moderator here. Let's please move on. The original question was asking what people thought of the lack of backstory in Mad Max; Fury Road. Did you think there should have been more? I really cannot comment because I have not seen the film. Although, I will be seeing the new SpongeBob movie soon. Really looking forward to it. ;)

Andrew Martin Smith

That was a cold wet sponge Beth. Thread jacking over........so is there a backstory in SpongeBob?

Peter Nørgaard

Hi Beth ... I´m in postproduction until tuesday evening. I joined because of Shawns "Let´s talk storytelling" and his "What are your thoughts about storytelling?", not because of Mad Max, Fury Road or SpongeBob - haven´t seen any of them. Have you read all the comments..? I look(ed) for a friendly conversation about different kinds AND different levels of ideas, to make the storytelling better. I´m moving on (from "Double Fantasy") is a great song. Have fun /;-)

Andrew Martin Smith

Where there you are then. Shawn - eat your heart out. If anybody can show me a scene more visually stunning than a pineapple under the sea - I will drop to the deck and flip like a fish.

Phillip "The Genuine Article" Hardy

“S. Bob gone Bad” In an apocalyptic world, populated by jacked up, axe wielding Vikings, Sponge Bob must employ his recently acquired driving and fighting skills to drive a tanker truck across the Norwegian badlands…. That should satisfy any concerns about tying Sponge Bob to Vikings and Mad Max. Call upon me if you require further assistance... and suddenly my sphincter feels funny.

Jean-Pierre Chapoteau

For about 7 years, I thought Mr. Krabs was Jamaican.

Beth Fox Heisinger

Peter, if you would re-read Shawn's original post you'll see it was not a question about "storytelling" in general but asking about the storytelling in a specific movie. Perhaps start a separate thread if you'd like to discuss storytelling in itself. Storytelling is a great topic. :) Likewise, it seems SpongeBob deserves his own thread too -- major character arcs in that one! :)

Peter Nørgaard

Hi again Beth. Hope you will find time to listen to the lyrics and music from John Lennons & Yoko Onos "I´m Moving On" it´s ready on You Tube. And thank´s for your suggestion, but I can´t find time starting a thread at the moment. The period BEFORE the straight storytelling begins, synopsis, treatmeant etc. - is the different phases of ideas, and one of the most important parts until the shooting begins. It should be integrated knowledge and a natural proces in all films- and artworks. You write, that this thread is "about storytelling in a specific movie", but some of the first words 7 days ago, from Shawn, was: "What are your thoughts on storytelling?". If I haven´t read this sentence I was longer in my post-production right now ... If the S32 leadership (and you) only want to discus a few new movies in this thread - fine for me. Then I´m out of the thread. And I still be very soon. Before I joined some asked for a conversation on STORYTELLING not "in general" as you write. But they stopped. So I wrote my first sentence 3 days ago: Dear lovers and haters + 7 lines. I thought about these 7 lines in 4 days. Hopefully you and other readers, will find 30 minutes to read & think on the 7 lines content..? After 9 months of pregnancy at Stage 32 - and 14 operations in and out of hospitals over several years until 2012 - I began my independent film making again a year ago, So this is the first (or last...) S32 thread I have read and thought really much about, the examples and arguments. And I wrote my thoughts & suggestions + a concrete suggestion to RB & Co. - wish you a safe flight back from YES WE CANNES. The Vikings from Island (350.000 humans) won "Un Certain Regard"..! Congratulations friends <3. I don´t wanna push anybody. I try to be an openmined person. The big differences between a FRAME idea and a BASIC idea, as important creatives, artisticals and financials parts of the GROUNDFJEL before the story can grow. It´s free to face or not to face ... Conversations about these two big differences is both a fundamental proces (not fundamentalistic, dogmatic) and a very concrete proces - and using examples from our filmclassics can help this processes- and inspire. Making a new thread on every new movie, can be to narrow-minded. Hi Chanel ... You can learn to have pli and develop kindness in life. Your 14 hours ago sentence: "Leave your favourite topic with your National Filmschool of Denmark", can be a interesting beginning for a cosy conversation. Shall we invite Beth too..? I like Stage 32´s punchline: Share the love, but why share anything with unfriendly persons..? P.S. Have a look at The Hollywood Reporter from august 2014: "Top 15 Film School in the world". Proud of the Vikings in Norway and Denmark too. We are only 11 million humans, out of over 7 billions on this fantastic - but too much devided - Globe. The sun is shining, the coffee is strong and the post-production goes on. Good luck to all kind Stagers, Peter

Chanel Ashley

Peter, the only kindness would be if you "GAVE IT A REST" - I'd rather be "unfriendly persons" than "nuisance and irritating" - tell, me, in this Top 15 school of yours, do they teach "economy of words" - "show not tell" or "less is more" - perhaps you missed that lesson? - You may have your BASIC idea, but my BASIC instinct may get the better of me shortly, so I bite my lip and ask you to extend some manners and GIVE IT A REST, how often do you need to express the same thing multiple times, we got it the first time you opened your mouth - you Vikings are not as good as you think you are, the lead actor in the VIKINGS series is AUSTRALIAN, lol.

Peter Nørgaard

"We got it the first time". We..? You "got it"..! Okay, where to se your ideas released..? Show not tell. Who writes "nuisance and irritating"..? I don´t. Manipulation is a part of film making, in conversations it´s not charming. Your "I bite my lip and extend some manners" sound false, compared to your manners in e.g. "perhaps you missed that lesson?". Less can be good. Your "less is more" is Newspeak (Orwell). And empathy is lovely. Get rest of the answers & search e.g. "The worlds top 15 Film Schools", Hollywood Reporter aug. 2014. End of story: 2 x 6 lines. Now the kind editor need coffee. P. S. How often "do you need to express" lol..? /;-)

Beth Fox Heisinger

Peter, if you have this much time on your hands to comment here then you have time to start a new thread. And, you, sir, are the one that needs to move on -- stop "hijacking" this thread. Me, I'm doing my job. I suggest you read the entire original post and not just the headline.

Peter Nørgaard

Your hijacking word turns really my friendly humour-gen on. I´m a democrat, in a Danish Viking way, means e.g. FREE speech and ethical behaviour. I vote, but i vote blanco - I don´t believe in political party systems. And how my editor and I work and use our time these weeks is private matters. But tell me: How can you - and S 32 - tolerate C. Ashleys post to me 8 hours ago..? A Danish newspaper had banned her right away, from an etical p.o.v. If S 32 can´t accept FREE speech. e.g. how to develop ideas and stories for MOVIES, then the same CAN happen as in Chinas & Northkoreas filmwebs saying BUHH to YOU ... "I´m moving on" is a friendly link to a great song, about "truth, white lies and window smiles" etc., so why you stated: "And you, s(S)ir, are the one that needs to move on" seems strange, and just as humourless as C. Ashley comments . I decide myself - as everybody try to do in a free world - when I move. In my polite answer to you 10 hours ago, about your suggestion starting a thread, I wrote I will leave this tread "very soon" (+ for a while other public debates I´m a part of). But then CAshley (a friendly fun Viking spelling) came up with another comment which needed an answer. But - smile or cry - THIS ONE IS MY LAST let´s call it a LETTER IN THIS THREAD. Looking foreward to read your answers and reactions on this letter, Beth. Take care, and say hallo til Richard & Co. Thx ... I made a comment today after the new video, where he talks about his own scripts. Now my editor needs me until midnight. But first we´ll enjoy a lovely Viking dinner - fresh vegetables, fresh fish and high laughters - in the house of our main character, AAge Astrup, 102 years. Have great dreams - all of you, Peter P. S. To your "if you have this much time": I have been a writer since I was 17, so this lines was made in half an hour. To use the 4 days of thinking - before I wrote the first "Dear lovers and haters" letter - was a decision. Thinking is fun - and takes time ... D. S.

Stuart Wright

To be trolled by silliness on a niche forum ... Way to go Stage 32

Beth Fox Heisinger

Niche; we certainly are not! Silliness; well, it happens. Trolls; they come and go. My love for Stage 32; never wavers. Please let's move on. :) Thanks!

Stuart Wright

What I mean is we are a film/theatre community not twitter which is everyone... Making us niche in comparison

Beth Fox Heisinger

Aha! Oops, my bad, or rather misunderstanding, Stuart. :) To add, we are rather a community which makes us much more than a social media site. Those who's behavior is more typical of something like Twitter soon realize that sort of stuff isn't really appreciated here. :) Best to you!

Leslie Stockton

Both Stuart and Beth are absolutely correct. Kudos to you both for standing and speaking up. had to say ..

Andrew Martin Smith

Shawn's probably right - a reboot after 30 years needs to stand on it's own two feet but you younger bods have to remember that for some of us Max was a cult figure from our student days. Heady days - let it be said, where even VHS video had only just reared its pretty little head. We watched these movies on the big screen, often in late night binges at the British Film Institute or on student film society screens. We were well tanked up and loving every minute of it. They were just so wonderfully different. We reveled in watching what can only be described as explosively primitive, glorious grunge film making - the first bordering almost on a student flick, the dialogue was is awful. Having watched all of the Gibson's again - I am gobsmacked to discover that one of them actually does stand out as being worthy of my fond memories from a lost youth. It's the second film in the series Mad Max - Road Warrior. The jump between the first movie in the series - and the second is quite awesome. So having familiarized myself with the backstory - I'm now ready for the reboot. Bring it on...

Christopher Binder

Personally its sad when the stunts are more memorable than the characters or the story. But as far as Australian exploitation flicks go, top notch.

Chanel Ashley

I've read several mentions re the budget, $150 mill, to make this movie - if my memory serves me well, I'm certain the movie was initially to be made at Broken Hill, in Australia, where the original was made - this is a popular area for filming because it is so dry, flat and desolate - incredibly, just prior to filming, there were heavy rains which made the desert rather green and an inappropriate location - this created delays and the location/production moved to Africa - these delays would have incurred a considerable expense to the budget - anyway, that's my understanding as to why it cost that figure to make.

Andrew Martin Smith

I heard the same story - which is why much of it was shot in Namibia. I was quite surprised - because if you want African scrub desert you usually film in South Africa's - northern Cape region. This makes logistical sense - because there exists a good infrastructure of airstrips and roads. I have a new feature film - Soweto's Run, which begins shooting in October and will be filmed in that area.

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