Screenwriting : Upcomming pitch? by Elbron James Eramia

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Elbron James Eramia

Upcomming pitch?

Found this article pretty useful for a pitch coming up 2 weeks with an executive producer. https://industrialscripts.com/screenplay-reader/

49 Fixable Reasons A Screenplay Reader Passed On Your Project
49 Fixable Reasons A Screenplay Reader Passed On Your Project
Every writer has experienced that moment of wanting to throw the towel in after getting rejected. However, it's important not to be defeated by the thoughts of the person typically on the other end of…
Dan Guardino

Kay. The person who does the breakdown has to read the scene anyway so that wouldn't matter. It normally takes several days to do a breakdown, not an hour and a half.

Craig D Griffiths

I normally don’t click on links. I am here to discuss and see others opinions, however 49 was too tempting.

I agreed with all. Some restated different aspects of the same thing. The thing that I found most interesting was the references to things people say too never do (I am not one of these people).

Not enough description, visually, characters, locations.

People that is Castings job, that’s the directors job etc.

It’s my job till it isn’t.

Jeff Caldwell

Wow. What a strange turn. Just when you thought these threads couldn't get worse.

Phil Parker

Jeff - stay on the OP map and ignore the exit ramps to Bizzaro Land ;-)

Maurice Vaughan

Thanks for posting this article, Mr. Eramia.

Beth Fox Heisinger

Again, personal attacks are not appreciated here Damian Lloyd and Kay Luke. Neither is sexism and bigotry and false offensive accusations. If you cannot keep it to the thread topic nor be professional in your conduct then perhaps choose not to comment or move on. Abusive and offensive comments may be subject to deletion and may lead to your suspension from the site.

Dan Guardino

Kay. With all due respect set description and props don’t go in the slug line. The only things included in a slug line should be if it is an interior or exterior shoot, location and time of day, preferably just day or night. So not having set description and props is not a reason for a pass.

Someone doing a breakdown must read every scene because they need to know which cast members, extras, props, set dressing, sound, sound effects, stunts, costumes, music, special effects, etc. are needed to film every scene. A lot of the stuff wouldn’t even be in the screenplay itself. A screenwriter should only write the screenplay how it appears on film and a Reader should analyze a screenplay from an audience perspective since our audience will never read our screenplays to see if we formatted it correctly.However I do think formatting is important because spec screenplays are used to show people we know the business and how to write for it.

Phil Clarke

Most lenient, Beth. I'd advocate suspension. No room for such behaviour.

Beth Fox Heisinger

Well, Phil, and everyone, then please send in an official complaint via “Contact Us” found in the bottom menu bar. Each complaint is numbered and counted and weighed, and is a far more productive option. Healthy debate about a topic is always welcome on Stage 32. Always. Personal attacks are not. This is an open platform but there is also a S32 Community Code of Conduct that the vast majority of members easily practice with common courtesy and professionalism. Anyway, thank you, everyone! And my apologies, Elbron, for my disruption of the discussion. Thanks for posting and sharing the link. Best to you!

DC Harrison

Hey Elbron James Eramia, thanks for sharing this \m/

Craig D Griffiths

Beth Fox Heisinger I will be using the Contact Us. However, I do repeat the advice in other threads. IGNORE them. Don’t feed the trolls.

Craig D Griffiths

Done. Contact Us completed.

Beth Fox Heisinger

Thanks, Craig. But... how about we stop calling people "trolls," huh? Please? Just stop. It's more name-calling, is it not? Yes, not engaging with abusive behavior is often the better choice, but also report it if you see it. I keep reminding people that your experience with the site is truly up to YOU and your choices. And understand that disagreement about a subject or differences of opinion or differences of personalities is not the same as abusive and offensive behavior. It's pretty clear when behavior steps over the site's policy lines. The actual amount of abusive behavior is quite minimal. A few bad apples do not represent the community as a whole, and those bad apples often end up being suspended. We have around 600,000 members and in my 8 years on the site and years as a moderator, I can only count maybe 5-7 people who have been suspended due to their abusive and offensive behavior. Note, the more complaints and/or reports management receives about a problematic member the more it weighs on the decision to suspend that member. So, again, it is far more productive and less disruptive to the community to report than to choose to engage with an abusive person.

Beth Fox Heisinger

Again, sorry, Elbron, I'll step away from this thread and stop commenting. ;) Let's please allow it to get back to its topic, and let's please allow the Screenwriting forum to get back to screenwriting. Thanks, and best to you, everyone!

Craig D Griffiths

Sorry Beth. For me the word is the Noun version of the activity of Trolling. Describing a person engaged in this behaviour. It was not a comment on the person.

I made this comment to a member “That a knife is sharpened against stone, not ice cream”, strong opinion, debate and disagreement is a benefit to all. A well conceived argument based on facts is great.

When a person just insults people and tries to justify their stupid and insulting opinions with lies. things like “I have been writing for 30 years for Hollywood studios”. They are damaging the community and the reputation of the site.

Beth Fox Heisinger

Hey, Craig, this will be my last comment, so let's please move on. I'd like to stop hijacking this thread. Yes, facts and truth are what matters—of course! What is relevant and helpful—absolutely! Healthy debate—Yes! However, I do not agree with you. Not at all. If someone insults others then that poor behavior reflects poorly on that person. Period. Each member here is responsible for themselves. Stage 32 is much more than some person who chooses to insult people. Clearly. Why project such a false notion? The vast majority of our S32 community members are mutually respectful, insightful, helpful, creative, and generous. ;)

CJ Walley

Extending the slugline stuff a little, while you should certainly never put props in a slugline, you shouldn't front load them into the scene either. This is bad writing and it's known as "Dungeons and Dragons" where scenes unfold like they're described by a DnD games master ie; "You are in a room with four doors, a sword is on a table in the centre".

Always deliver the story as it would be delivered to the audience. Also write with the art department in mind when it comes to specifics.

Dan Guardino

CJ. I agree. I am not sure about some of those 49 reasons why a reader would pass on a screenplay. I think the key really is how to bypass those readers.

CJ Walley

I think you're right there, Dan. The mistake with something like this is to write in fear in the hope of pleasing everyone when really we need to let our voices shine and weave around the roadblocks.

Whitney L

The longer I am at this pursuit, the more I think that the biggest rule of all is to be well-connected above all else. I think that's 99 percent of it there. I think everything else is just fodder for more books, blogs, conferences, discussions, etc. Good luck with your meeting with the EP! :)

CJ Walley

There was a survey a few years back asking working screenwriters what they felt made the biggest difference to their career and networking made up over ninety percent of the responses.

Whitney L

CJ---thanks for the comment. What do you think is a good way to network when you don't have a lot of strong connections, not rich and not in those circles that can actually get things done? Seems like there's a brick wall that you run up against, unless you're already connected. Otherwise, seems like nobody wants to bother with you if you're not already successful.

CJ Walley

Networking is a whole professional skill of its own. The book "Never Eat Alone: And Other Secrets to Success, One Relationship at a Time, by Keith Ferrazzi" covers a lot of approaches well. Choosing to proactively help others while expecting nothing in return is perhaps the most effective way to make powerful connections that I know of. Positivity, optimism, and drive make people want to know you. Successful people tend to avoid negativity and quickly grow weary of people selling to them rather than bonding with them.

Whitney L

Thanks, CJ. What you wrote here reminds me of something that I heard in a Stage 32 webinar that RB did last year that I found to be very helpful. I'll continue doing that and then allow the Universe to be what opens the door to future opportunities. I was just reading an article about the "Ugly Betty" showrunner who recently took his own life and the article mentioned that a lot of people that were around during this showrunner's heyday had all disappeared during the dark times. He fell into depression and drug addiction and was even subtly humiliated by one of the trades that had something negative to say when he put his house near the Sunset Strip up for sale. It was quite eye-opening. I suppose there's something to be said for networking to find those who would be around even during lean times....a rare find.

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