In my research on myth, I came across this article on the Portal of Consciousness website.
It follows the hero’s journey in the life of Parsifal (Percival — which means ‘pure fool’). I read it as a child and took it as all children probably do, on surface level, as a story about a knight, but it is so much more.
A missed opportunity to heal the Fisher King at the Grail castle, leads Parsifal into the wasteland of suffering for 20 years. Quite some journey in the middle of his life. He becomes disillusioned and tormented by the missed opportunity and his travels across the wasteland lead him to meet a hermit. I’m struck at how these characters spring up from the middle of nowhere, in the locational and story sense. There is no grand-narrative about the hermit, for he is who he is and even in his isolation serves those who due to happenstance, come his way.
This story whilst showing us how Parsifal’s character develops, also shows us the truths about character development in storytelling. The purity of innocence, the inabilities to grasp a solution to the need faced, the suffering that ensues, followed by his return to the place that brought about his journey of suffering and then the denouement in bringing about the healing of the Fisher King.
Innocence>>>Loss of Innocence>>>Suffering>>>A return to innocence (healing).
(The root meaning of innocence means to be unwounded. We may ponder with postmodern incredulity that once we are wounded there is no healing, but we carry it for the rest of our lives. What we see with the Grail narrative is that loss of innocence, the wound, can be healed).
This is not just the hero’s journey, but a journey which we must take our viewers/readers on, when we tell our stories. I would also suggest that it speaks so much about the writer’s journey too, which means yes, we are also heroes!
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Geoff Hall Thank you for the insightful post. I like the way you point out the appearances of secondary characters who influence Parsifal's development.
I also love this: Innocence>>>Loss of Innocence>>>Suffering>>>A return to innocence (healing).
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Thank you, Robin Gregory I think we can learn that the writing of secondary characters can be economical and not impede the story.
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Geoff Hall , Robin Gregory, I'll need collaboration enhancing this!
Innocence>>>Loss of Innocence>>>Suffering>>>A return to innocence (healing)...A significant quote!
It is amazing seeing the centuries old English terminologies embraced and expounded by many then leading figures including the famous King James with words "righteousness" and "repentance", today replaced by "innocence" and "return to innocence" respectively. Of course this states with Parsifal journey and Fisher King accounts a recollective perspective, of sense of Divinity!In times of “Parsifal and Fisher King, the then language with terminologies again comes into perspective along with then beliefs, attributes and concepts in Divinity
There seems to be that quest as human enigma had long deviated from concepts in culture even language/terminologies, understanding of Spiritualism evolving from times BCE, ADE and the significant reminder of “faith” with the CE concepts, to a Scientific world again evolving beyond or after our characters to times renaissance etc.
Maybe witnessing that deviation and evolution to the Scientific world definitively, partly troubled Parsifal and Fisher King, to find meaning for life’s “affections”, futuristic direction and creation.
In writing the supportive character I see these perspectives rendering deep thoughts for audiences and of course helping with asking meaningful questions!
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Eon C. Rambally Geoff Hall It's interesting to think that "Parsifal" means fool, but can't that also be interpreted as innocent? I think that Old World religion and politics were so entangled that they upheld the same standards and expectations. For example, in the Old Testament, God was judgmental and punitive; humans were born sinners who had to win God's favor. And kings wielded that same kind of power over the people.
Eon also suggests a cultural transformation in the replacement of "repentance" by the idea of "returning to innocence." Interesting that today's, spiritual movements teach us to embrace our innocent nature, and to merge with our Creator, to realize we actually are an individual expression of that Self already - a return to understanding our intrinsic innocence. There is no separation, except in our belief systems that are rooted in sin.
And yet, the human ego fights to prove otherwise. It defends the experience of old age, disease, deterioration, poverty, war, violence, etc. It even calls God the progenitor of all that.The conditioned mind fails to recognize it's part in this and continues to fear shared "guilt."
Innocence requires humility and the ability to "not know." We suffer the appearances of good vs. evil, until we stop judging. Our journey through uncertainty, coupled with trust in the unconditional love of the Creator can lead us beyond shared delusions and projections. As Jesus taught - even in the face of human retaliation and violence - "I and the Father are one" and "The kingdom of heaven is within you."
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Geoff Hall, Robin Gregory and everyone I will further add. for the characters Either embrace the then scientific community or form the minute and remance who still hold on to traditional faith from times CE./ADE. If he was trying to embrace both, to procure new concepts, then he would have been truly a then and understandably exceptional human being. However, history teaches that human beings in the course of “evolution” were or may not have been that advanced in thinking and brain activity, until much later….
However, we can still identify the then Parsifal world of deep ponder. The prognosis and attributes therefore suggests a world of enigma.
To bluntly disregard theoretically therefore the relevant notions, we can assuredly decide otherwise
We have to embrace the then new knowledge would have been science. Although religion, belief in Christ or theology would have been considered outdated, it would have not been forgotten, therefore our characters may have embraced both.
After years of my research it is most welcomed to have this discussion. Please understand to some extent, for the unshakable sound mind!
Controversial!
Concerning "all mentioned" of the secondary characters!
Does Scientology ring's a bell?
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Eon C. Rambally Robin Gregory firstly, apologies for the lateness of this reply. I’ve been struggling with a long-term illness and I’m just about on the road to recovery. The long and winding road leads me…
I think there’s another twist on Parsifal’s name, not just meaning fool, but ‘pure fool’. This isn’t just a straight-laced folly, but a pure one at that! In Lao Tzu’s writings, pure of heart meant ‘straight hearted, as opposed to crooked of heart.
Yes, Robin, I think there’s a rise in the perception of a more mystical understanding of a relationship with the Divine, that takes us beyond the judgmental deity of the Old Testament and into the realm of Oneness.
It would be an interesting juxtaposition, if say in a science-fiction story, we had those living with advanced technology, alongside those of an OT old religious view of spirituality. I imagine it would be quite jarring and a good plot tension.
More later, when I’ve recovered from this excessive output of energy!
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Geoff Hall I'm so sorry about your health challenges. My husband is also dealing with ongoing issues. A daunting experience, fraught with unexpected plot twists. BUT I'm Happy to hear you are on the mend. Life sure isn't for sissies! Did I already say that?
Re: "It would be an interesting juxtaposition, if say in a science-fiction story, we had those living with advanced technology, alongside those of an OT old religious view of spirituality..."
I agree! This is sort of what I did with my novel/screenplay. I put a benign group of extra-dimensional visitors (celestial beings who've taken human form) in early-1900s California -- in a rural town populated by religious, racist, anti-immigrant locals. The engine driving the story is the journey a half-human, half-celestial boy takes while trying to survive in both cultures. I first published this in 2015. It's a cautionary tale illustrating the folly of human judgment and separation from our true nature. Just re-published it with SEO and pro marketing. It seems even more relevant now.
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Geoff Hall It’s concerning to learn of your health situation and thankful for the news of some recuperation. I myself as recalled have the similar situation to deal with. Well noted of your comment!
Robin Gregory , my concerns also, best hopes for you and yours with well-being! What a tremendous continued storyline of your film. I’m certainly curious seeing the extension until the big screens!
Therefore, with the story's characters in mind, concerning history and juxtapositions, we can/should recall the earlier 7th century's account of the guy who invented the zero, Brahmagupta (basically during the dark ages, to which was mentioned before in the QU post) who also claimed according to more history, accrediting his knowledge to a Hindu deity pointing to a statue.
Q; Was he eluding to forgotten “Spirituality” in general and not just one particular religion, but because of language barrier, the world may have misunderstood him where also the prominence of “Scientific Evolution” and "Revolution", then contrasting and dominant?
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Eon C. Rambally Thank you for your good wishes. Dang! Yesterday I wrote a response to your and Geoff's inquiry into words and their social-historic context. I guess I forgot to post it! But here's the thing I was tripping on:
AI search: "In Hebrew scripture, God, breath (ruach), and the word are intrinsically linked, representing the power of creation, life-giving spirit, and divine communication. God breathes life into humanity (Genesis 2:7), and the universe is formed by the word of His mouth, inseparable from His breath/spirit."
Also, "In Christian theology, Jesus, the Breath (Holy Spirit), and the Word are intrinsically linked, representing the impartation of divine life and truth. Jesus breathes the Holy Spirit onto his disciples (John 20:22) to empower them, mirroring God breathing life into Adam. This act signifies the new creation, the Word made flesh... "
If that is so, every person's words and breath (emotions) manifest an accepted version of life. Do you think it's the same with quantum physics? If we believe and practice oneness with the Divine, Infinite (LOVE), will we manifest the same on Earth? Is that what Jesus meant by taking dominion? Conversely, if we cling to dualistic concepts based on matter, will we be breathing that into manifestation?
In my mind, writing is another level of speaking the Word - my own version of manifestation. It's not so much to process things as it is to manifest a new narrative, to speak my truth, to let my characters be used to impart something pure and divine, even in the face of dualistic appearances, human perceptions.
Is that kind of what you and Geoff are talking about, but in quantum terms?
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Geoff Hall, Robin Gregory, glad to continue!
Robin, you're welcome! Well noted! Here’s the breakdown!The whole account is really about the modern term “empowerment” and it’s what the older version amongst terminologies “salvation” was referring to!
Empowered to defy the curse of death and hell itself. Ultimately true salvation!
According to history when King James made translations of a culmination of intensely sought after, “ancient scripts” from an ancient language in search of true empowerment, he got the best of translators possible, in search of knowledge so ultimately powerful, it was considered Divine. Of course he did! It’s the temperament, conquest and mind-set of a conquering king! Any good psychologist can and will verify the facts.
As I have mentioned before strange activities were always recorded in history. It’s just that “science” eventually strived to give explanations as opposed to superstitious beliefs.
David Copperfeild, whom I have mentioned in the QU post and world renown magician, said magic goes back to ancient times, to the extent was considered evil etc.
Demonstration of phenomenon was told in the Moses and ancient Egypt account, then showed up again (at least as the story goes) in the CE era or times AD, in what is known “Jesus Of Nazareth”, where one of his “disciples” was Simon, “The Sorcerer”, who to this date remains a rather mysterious figure in “scriptural and modern history”.
Altogether “it is written” a powerful demonstration occurred on then planet earth, some as we know call it miracles, as opposed to events including political objectives, resulting in crucifixion and so on. However right afterwards you have the mentioned “Dark Ages”, the defining of the zero, with an incredible and driven by ultimate passion even obsession with upsurge in “scientific research”, which any psychologist can verify, there has to be significant event and phenomenon, prior to such behavioral patterns. History then follows with The Parsifal, Holy Grail and Fisher King who would have had the wealth of mentioned recorded history, in some format! Therefore, understand then general passion! “AI” is eventually here!
Empowerment is the mind-set! King James translations from an ancient collection of scripts into then English! Ancient scripts and knowledge were always literally feared to get lost and also heavily guarded. That’s how serious matters were back then!
It’s obvious by the before mentioned what the power at least in influence those translated scripts holds. Therefore, obvious knowledge of the Ancient World and Quantum World were in those translations. But empowerment with a dirty heart was then known to be self-destructing and psychotic (using modern terms) therefore a clean pure and “Holy Heart” was the gift and embodiment of “harnessing” such magnificent empowerment! Ultimately the only way to be achieved, therefore the ultimate gift and “responsibility”…."The", Holy Spirit!
Not just good, but the next level of a “good person’s” empowerment was/is to be a “holy person” to attain such “immense capabilities”!
According to accounts: How did rods became serpents with other phenomenon in ancient Egypt, most certainly describes a Quantum World! That type of empowerment should, “never be in the wrong hands”!
Modern English descriptive, in harnessing an Ancient Ultimate & Powerful World!
Comprehension to describe and explain such mind-blowing powers is the issue!
Robin, You are statistically, biblically and ultimately correct!
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Robin Gregory I'm happy to hear that there's someone else who thinks they've posted something that they haven't!!
The QU - I'm reading David Bohm's 'Wholeness and the Implicate Order' and it's heavy going, and my mind isn't working to well yet, but, he talks about the use of language and that the usual subject, object, verb structure reinforces the illusion of time. In chapter two, (I'm still on chapter one) he talks about changing our language so that it demolishes that illusion. Also, the other illusion that we have of reality is that it is fragmentary and we speak in such ways and of certain abstracted things, as if they were separate from reality, or suggesting a fragmented reality.
As you've mentioned theology, here goes!
"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with god and the Word was god." This reveals wholeness, an undivided, unified reality. Just a thought...John starts of his discourse by affirming the oneness, unity and undivided reality of the world he is about to create for us. Think of all the sayings about oneness in this gospel!
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Eon C. Rambally King James? Of course he did. He worked under the Divine Right of Kings.
Even the best translators kowtowed to royalty. The translation “in my father’s house there are many mansions” should apparently (by the mind of NT Wright, nonetheless!) have been translated, ‘in my father’s house there are many wayside inns”!! Now that’s the kind of salvation I would enjoy!
William Tyndale translated the bible into English before KJ’s royal decree and was executed for it and just a decade or so after KJ employed the other translators, who just so happened to have used about 80% of Tyndale’s translation.
Here’s a little known fact: I played Tyndale in the docu-drama ‘Mightier than the Sword’! :-()
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Geoff Hall correct about language and excellent example by N.T. Wright
Communication and language is an issue! We have two narratives!
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1) One says as we evolved language became more efficient which eventually involved the derivative and formation of the last letter “J” of the alphabet (previously discussed)
2) The biblical narrative “The tower Of Babel” where language was confused to break down communication for the building and construction of a great tower (to which scientists say it’s simply impossible for then human ingenuity as-we-were-not-that-highly-evolved!
The Tower of Babel account now comes into perspective concerning language! Which up to then was “highly advanced” only afterwards did it became “primitive” and therefore followed through history. It is therefore said we are trying to explain history using a primitive language as opposed to what secular history taught us where we are “today” more evolved with intellectual capacity communication and language, however as said it’s actually the reverse. If so we can now only begin to imagine the Dilemma of Parsifal’s journey, particularly with limited language and “communication”. Today “language” following the narratives given, it’s either we believe we are more evolved or language is “re-connecting” and communication is again very efficient (since Babel) . To build what? Well AI and lots of “towers” are here!
If only Parsifal had this wealth of knowledge and presently impossible to ignore reoccurring issue “language communications” in our/his modern world, will he be satisfied?
The young guy who defined the zero was the only person to mention and elude to anything about spirituality, since times AD/ADE/CE, until of course Tyndale then officially King James. The concept of spirituality was long since then… lost, forgotten, unspoken and/or unrecorded for literally hundreds of years’
What was the rule of the day? Again, “Science”….and driven by ultimate passion “Research”! What other description to give anyhow?
That’s some real “Dark History”!...Oooh, that’s why it’s partly called…”The Dark Ages”!
That was you portraying Tyndale Geoff! I remember seeing that documentary sometime in the past! You played the role that broke the long dark history of unspoken spiritualism!
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Eon C. Rambally oh, I love your comment about AI and The Tower of Babel! That really resonated with me, Eon. Great analogy.
Tyndale yes, that was me. Garroted at the stake and then burnt!
Our contemporary society and situation deals more in information than knowledge and certainly doesn’t value wisdom as a socio-political virtue.
What has continued to resonate with me, regarding Parsifal, (please note, he wasn’t a fool, but a ‘pure fool’ which means he was lacking in social(?) sophistry and maybe world weariness) is that he was asking the wrong questions.
We spend our time searching for answers, instead of looking for the right questions. How interesting would it be to create a character who understood this and send them on a quest to find those ‘right questions’. This would reshape the narrative expectations of modern - sophisticated(?) - storytelling and scriptwriting.
Language - of Christ and theology. This needs to evolve, and allow the light to seep out of the religious bushel, into everyday syntax/parlance/street talk. There is much to be said for speaking about Cosmic consciousness, as opposed to the construction of verbal, language-based Babel Towers - for control purposes only and not for society’s well-being or salvation. Vanity projects rarely do this!
In reading David Bohm’s book, he is disturbing the status quo of our language as reinforcing the fragmentation of reality, and wanting us to reimagine language which speaks of the wholeness and oneness of reality.
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Geoff Hall, Robin Gregory then ultimately this!
Great acting and crew portraying Tyndale on that production Geoff!
Socio political issues are phenomenal topics! One has to dig much deeper into the Matrix of things to understand a wholistic pov. Ultimately one has to understand “The Matrix” itself! Why people think that’s just a movie?! It’s recollectively an actual scientific terminology!We cannot therefore understand this whole QU realm (open-mindedly) in attempted entirety and topics without the concept of Babel. Therefore, a final topic before a great and expediential journey into the creative world whether film, script novel etc. Is it correct to say even hypothesize that while a great multitude were in the construction of a/ the considered mystical and elaborate tower of Babel and of course recorded against the will of almighty God. Not everyone would have entertained “the notion”, hypothetically and otherwise partake in that quest “against the will of almighty God” and ultimately exempted from "The Great Confounding? This means that certainly a sect of humanity (at least by careful, in-depth and concerned storyline) kept "sacred" and the very advanced language….. recorded at least up to times AD, ADE/ CE!.....Then came the dark ages! ?
Ultimately in modern expressions I believe Parsifal meant humility or a humble demeanor in quest for great wealth of knowledge.!
We are ultimately and stunningly reminded of our medieval characters storyline Parsifal and Fisher King!
David Bohm' and Robin's books are certainly to be amongst most important interests accordingly!
What do we say to that?....
Or
What dost thou sayest to thus?....
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Eon C. Rambally As always, you bring up fascinating points. I can't help but wonder if everyone communicated in the same language--telepathically--at one time, and the break from that shared language wasn't so much intentional as it was a gradual hypnotism of human consciousness.
In other words, did humans separate from God intentionally? What is they felt powerless to overcome the dark powers, and succumbed to fear, thus, forfeiting their divine power? What if they stopped relying on Spirit (their divine Self), and turned to clans and magic and religious rituals to save themselves. Perhaps that's why the new languages evolved. When all along humans only needed to "stand still" (shut up) and see the power of Spirit take over for their benefit. A hard thing to do, even today, I must admit.
Thank you so much for acknowledging the engine of my work. I really can't take the credit. It's inspired mostly by mystics and celestial influences. In find it easier to write novels in this vein than it is to write screenplays. But it's worth the effort. I hope you are well and happy!
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Robin Gregory, such advanced comprehension! You're welcome! The concept of Atlantis particularly with incredible recent discoveries and artefacts supports very advanced communications, including telepathic, even alien like capabilities. Yes, therefore we also underestimate what was truly ‘parables” amongst theories. That Tower of Babel era and time-span certainly also depicts a pivotal time in secular history, some researchers have also attributed it to The Atlantis theory, whether evolutionists or creationist/biblical and scriptural narratives, regardless of language, beliefs in evolution and general theoretical beliefs, leading up to the CE era. it is inevitably significant weighing both main mentioned narratives!
A defining period in secular history (Tower of Babel era). Anything before that…. well let’s forget “further” theories for now! Archaeologists however are at each other’s throats with respective subjects in the field and is “well noted”! However, after that period, is Ancient Egypt (also controversial) and again the CE era “The Might Of Rome” to which it is recorded Sorcerers/Magicians did exist, the biblical narrative Simon being just one of them and obviously (following storyline) knowledge from ancient Egypt. Our discussed characters really had some dilemma “afterwards” "CE" to deal with during that dark time in history. Again humanity discovered the significance of the zero "0" practically along the same time frame "as actual recorded history"!
So much of history and generally knowledge “technically and unknowingly” supports “evolution” it’s phenomenal. The evolution of language is at the core of understanding the whole picture. Miss that and….well a truth seeker misses, a significant lot of things. Our character of interest Parcifal therefore being a knight would have encountered a lot of mysterious things as military persons always do, to this date and of course told to not mention their findings. The “Holy Grail” being amongst them. Leave it up to the then scientists and researchers, even “religious sects” to evaluate etc. No wonder he wanted to get away from that environment at least with the “Holy Grail”!
Robin it will be great to consider a book to screen venture! It’s important!
Theories can all mysteriously comes together with extensive research and deep thought!
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Eon C. Rambally Thank you for sharing more of your incredible knowledge. One thing I had forgotten from high school history classes was who were the dark powers behind the Dark Ages? So I Googled the question. AI gave me this: overview:
"During the early medieval period (approx. 500–1000 AD), often called the Dark Ages, the "dark powers" were not a single entity, but rather a fragmentation of authority. Key powers includedGermanic tribes (Goths, Vandals, Franks), invading Huns, and local warlords. The Catholic Church also emerged as a dominant, centralized authority, sometimes seen as hindering intellectual progress."
The other night, I watched PATTON again. I'm not into war movies at all. Except DUNKIRK. But I had forgotten about Patton's references to history and his reincarnations. So, if one were to do a film about someone akin to Parsifal (which sounds intriguing) Patton can be a pretty good model for interweaving mystical themes.
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Robin Gregory Ironic, but also well placed to mention Patton’s approach and motivation! Therefore, not forgetting the famous quote: “Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way”.
Well noted about "AI's" comments! As to how secular history took such a drastic twist and discourse to what is believed to be at least an elaborate AD era, (as mentioned) with an immense showdown between good and evil, even the defeat of death itself, is obviously unforgettable. It is written! :)
Geoff Hall's title synopsis partly reads about the Parcifal account: “I read it as a child and took it as all children probably do, on surface level, as a story about a knight, but it is so much more”.
Interweaving mystical themes!? Understood therefore! “So much more” there is to understand than what is “secular history”, as recall. Coming from a sound background in relevant research, certifications and family history, therefore I can say certainly, very crucial and important from psychological perspectives for analysis and comparisons. The storyline needs alike positive variables, if practical and attainable!
I saw the trailer for DUNKIRK and really wanted to see it in theaters but didn't get the time for such an interesting account in history!
Altogether challenges for thinking caps!
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Eon C. Rambally If you get a chance, I highly recommend DUNKIRK. Nolan did a masterful job making a war movie that drives a stake into the heart of the idea that war is ever a viable solution for anything. Incredible dreamlike effect, the way he tells it in the soldiers' POVs, expansive shots, moments of soundless suspension, vulnerability of characters, etc. Oh, I think I'll watch it again!
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Robin Gregory well noted! The words "ironic, but well placed......."! I just used the play on words to highlight a very important subject! Knights are very formidable fighters no doubt just as General Patton, but history misunderstood the humility part, where physical war "alone" becomes meaningless and therefore humble themselves to higher, even divine knowledge. That’s where humility should not be mistaken for being weak and/or foolish, respectively, but careful with writing, adaptation and application with back then “comprehension” to modern screenplay writing.
Comparing the two characters, yes there are similarities, but a psychological difference because of era, is also established between the two. Pacifal’s era because of the mystical environment witnessed will understandably and significantly withdraw within himself, from exhaustion of perceived unnecessary and therefore questionable war, also attaining the Holy Grail. As opposed to Patton, in modern historical words also demonstrating adequate judgment constraints, a sense of justice and hero for good cause. This because by narrative, the latter a different more “evolved” modern environment!
Applying the Parcifal account therefore will take the wealth of this discussion, (of course also tapping into the QU realm) as to not cause misunderstandings with comparisons portraying more recent characters, which also had the vantages of obvious better comprehensive description, writing skills and more for precision storytelling analysis and of course films.
Again language and evolution being the mentioned core of issues and objectives intended!
That Tower of Babel dilemma is really something else! :)
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So good to note, Eon C. Rambally :Your attention and discussion of Parsifal prompts me to re-read it. Also: "...humility should not be mistaken for being weak and/or foolish..." The King Arthur legend is a good example of this "selflessness." Clive Owen's Arthur achieved this beautifully.
So true! Parsifal, Patton, and Arthur operated from historical POVs. I marvel at the fact that all bear mystical elements, which may have been far beyond the average viewer or reader's understanding--aspects that speak to the (sometimes misguided) human consciousness seeking divine justice and salvation, not just power, dominance, or retribution.
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As ever, I leave my last word today, with David Lynch:
https://substack.com/@drewponder/note/c-216305819?r=48yp4&utm_medium=ios...
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Geoff Hall Though it's just a theory, the unified field (and the way Lynch describes it) makes so much sense.
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Robin Gregory agreed, Robin. I want to get the Art of Life DVD. There’s so much wonderful wisdom on there.
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Geoff Hall Robin Gregory, the amazing thing about that video by Davis Lynch is that the concepts go way back in history. The “Holy Grail” was once considered a myth, with mystical phenomenal occurrences then to be actually found as an existing relic, by the formidable knight, Parcifal would have changed his perception of reality, therefore concepts at least amongst many to somehow result in the pursuits presented in the video.
He was one that was chosen by the algorithm so to speak!
If only he had that wealth of knowledge in that vid.!
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Geoff Hall Eon C. Rambally Awesome words on creativity, the nified field, and consciousness from David Lynch.
https://x.com/i/status/2038892674678477080