I hanged on that site 32 for two years, read a lot of posts, responded to some threads and I feel that a lot of filmmakers or wannabe filmmakers ( by the way I hate that expression!) here and on other filmmaking sites has a misconception about producing. So what is really that process that everyone talks about - producing!!!!! To me Producing is not about talking and teaching others how to do it without any viable credentials it's about doing and delivering it to the screen. You are a producer if : a) you can raise the financing b) can attach the talent c) can secure the distribution. If you are none of this you are NOT a producer! Agree, disagree? Can you clams that you are producer if you just made a short? My opinion no, because you have a very limited knowledge of the whole process. First of all nobody, according to my 25 years plus experience as a film distributor, cares about shorts in the industry. It's a viable tool for first time directors and cinematographers to really show their skills and open the doors into the full range production. Shorts are zero value for producers. Why? Shorts ( there are some exceptions but they outside of the scope of this discussion) are not going fully!!!!! through the all stages of producing like dealing with the qualified investors, pre vetting your casting list of ideas with the sales agents and distributors and then dealing with agencies and attaching bankable talents ( by the way this very efficient method called reversed enginering and used by most successful producers in the industry) , hiring a full range crew, getting all that equipment and gears , striking the deals with distributors and recouping the money from the markets for the investors. And another argument - With a shorts under the belt you can not become and be welcomed by the Producers Guild of America. Only a fully produced and delivering feature can provide that privelage and qualify you for those valuable points. Agree, disagree? So back to this rhetorical question? Who are the producers ? In my opinion it's only those who can demonstrate a fully produced feature film under the belt and back it up by posting it on IMDb site as a COMPLEATED Project. Agree, disagree? Only for the producers and who want to become producers! For REAL producers and if you really exist on this site: guys let's really collaborate on the projects, you know well that there is a limited number of whose who can really produce and deliver it to the market. If you are in LA area we can start the dialog even here and exchange emails and even meet and start talking about projects like at upcoming AFM. I will be there walking those long halls and talking to the SA and the distributors. For producers who want to become producers and didn't earn that status yet: You want to collaborate? Bring REAL producers a value! Just a great script is not enough! Bring your own skin in the game - 30-40 of the budget, meaningful director or a bankable talent. And only then you can expect from the real producers spin their wheeels and open up their Rolodex of contacts, bring on board a dream team of pros, help production with the rest of financing, attach a bankable cast, smoothly go into the production and staying on budget and where everyone gets paid and on time, from those type of producers you can expect an expertise in distribution dealing and wheeling with sales agents and distributors and some other viable aspects. There are a lot of benefits working with the producers who were around the block and really did it and can back it up. Or if you feel you can do it yourself and learned it hard way. Your choice. Agree, disagree? O For dreamers and teachers. Please say something only if you really have your own experience in that matter. Not he said/she said. Let's start the conversation !!!