Robert Ogden Barnum - Today's Master Producers: Part 1

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Robert Ogden Barnum

Webinar hosted by: Robert Ogden Barnum

Co-Founder, Producer at Fortitude International, e2b Capital

Robert Ogden Barnum, Co-Founder, Fortitude International, e2b Capital Recently recognized as one of Variety's "10 Producers to Watch", Robert Ogden Barnum is an Independent Spirit award-winning feature film producer whose most recent films include Miles Ahead, Don Cheadle's directorial debut about Miles Davis, starring Don Cheadle and Ewan McGregor, Daughter Of God, starring Keanu Reeves, and Elvis & Nixon starring Michael Shannon and Kevin Spacey. Other recent projects include Paul Bettany's directorial debut, Shelter, starring Academy Award winner Jennifer Connelly and Anthony Mackie, and Mike Binder's Black and White, starring Kevin Costner, both of which premiered at the 2014 Toronto Film Festival. Barnum also Executive Produced Peter Bogdanovich's She's Funny That Way, starring Owen Wilson and Jennifer Aniston, which premiered at the 2014 Venice Film Festival. Some of Barnum's past films include the Academy Award nominated Sundance hit, Margin Call, starring Kevin Spacey, Jeremy Irons, Demi Moore, Zachary Quinto and Stanley Tucci. The film won the Independent Spirit Award for Best First Feature and the Robert Altman Award. In addition to the award season success of Margin Call, it is considered as one of the most successful "day-and-date" releases of all time. Barnum also Executive Produced John Hillcoat's Lawless - starring Shia LaBeouf, Tom Hardy, Gary Oldman and Jessica Chastain - which premiered at the 2012 Cannes Film Festival and went on to gross over $40M at the US box office; Sundance hit Ain't Them Bodies Saints, starring Rooney Mara, Casey Affleck and Ben Foster; the critically acclaimed Cannes selection, All Is Lost, starring Robert Redford, and Hateship Loveship, starring Kristin Wiig, Guy Pearce, Hailee Steinfeld and Nick Nolte that premiered at the 2013 Toronto Film Festival. Upcoming projects include DIVE, written and to be directed by Ariel Vromen (The Iceman), This Man, This Woman, written by Freddie Raphael and to be directed by Isabel Coixet (Elegy) and starring Penelope Cruz and Diane Kruger. Barnum is partnered in e2b Capital, with former head of William Morris Independent, Cassian Elwes. e2b Capital represents a variety of financiers for films, actively helping them select investments and overseeing the production and delivery of the films. Additionally, he's a partner in Fortitude International, the foreign sales and finance company that was launched in early 2014 with partners Nadine de Barros and Daniel Wagner. Matthew Helderman, CEO, Bondit Media Capital Matthew Helderman founded Buffalo 8 Productions in 2012, as a feature film & commercial production company growing to deliver projects to clients such as Sony and Lionsgate. Under Helderman’s leadership, Buffalo 8 has built a full library of content – touting 4 premieres at the 2016 Sundance Festival – a roster of commercial directors, a talent management division and a full post-production facility. In 2013, Helderman co-founded BondIt Media Capital to solve the multitude of financing difficulties found in the entertainment & media business — by 2017 BondIt had participated in the financing over 200 feature film projects ranging from low budgets to studio level productions. Helderman graduated with a B.A. in Philosophy with a minor in English from Lake Forest College. Helderman has been a featured speaker at the Cannes, London, and Bahamas Film Festivals as well as guest speaker at the Chinese US Business Summit. Full Bio »

Webinar Summary

This is the 1st installment of the Stage 32 + Bondit Media Capital Masterclass featuring Matthew Helderman (CEO of Bondit Media Capital) and Robert Ogden Barnum (Co-Founder of Fortitude International and e2b Capital).

What You'll Learn

Your Stage 32 + Bondit Film Finance Master Class host, Matthew Helderman, leads a discussion with Robert Ogden Barnum, Fortitude International Co-Founder and Partner in e2b Capital, about film financing today.  In this exclusive Master Class they go over the state of the industry today, where to find investors and how investor deals are changing from what they used to be. They discuss the international sales market and whether or not you need to be in Los Angeles. They discuss new players such as Netflix coming into the market and various case studies they've worked on including one of Robert's films "Margin Call".  After, both Matthew and Robert participate in a Q&A session. 

About Your Instructor

Robert Ogden Barnum, Co-Founder, Fortitude International, e2b Capital

Recently recognized as one of Variety's "10 Producers to Watch", Robert Ogden Barnum is an Independent Spirit award-winning feature film producer whose most recent films include Miles Ahead, Don Cheadle's directorial debut about Miles Davis, starring Don Cheadle and Ewan McGregor, Daughter Of God, starring Keanu Reeves, and Elvis & Nixon starring Michael Shannon and Kevin Spacey. Other recent projects include Paul Bettany's directorial debut, Shelter, starring Academy Award winner Jennifer Connelly and Anthony Mackie, and Mike Binder's Black and White, starring Kevin Costner, both of which premiered at the 2014 Toronto Film Festival.

Barnum also Executive Produced Peter Bogdanovich's She's Funny That Way, starring Owen Wilson and Jennifer Aniston, which premiered at the 2014 Venice Film Festival.

Some of Barnum's past films include the Academy Award nominated Sundance hit, Margin Call, starring Kevin Spacey, Jeremy Irons, Demi Moore, Zachary Quinto and Stanley Tucci. The film won the Independent Spirit Award for Best First Feature and the Robert Altman Award. In addition to the award season success of Margin Call, it is considered as one of the most successful "day-and-date" releases of all time. Barnum also Executive Produced John Hillcoat's Lawless - starring Shia LaBeouf, Tom Hardy, Gary Oldman and Jessica Chastain - which premiered at the 2012 Cannes Film Festival and went on to gross over $40M at the US box office; Sundance hit Ain't Them Bodies Saints, starring Rooney Mara, Casey Affleck and Ben Foster; the critically acclaimed Cannes selection, All Is Lost, starring Robert Redford, and Hateship Loveship, starring Kristin Wiig, Guy Pearce, Hailee Steinfeld and Nick Nolte that premiered at the 2013 Toronto Film Festival.

Upcoming projects include DIVE, written and to be directed by Ariel Vromen (The Iceman), This Man, This Woman, written by Freddie Raphael and to be directed by Isabel Coixet (Elegy) and starring Penelope Cruz and Diane Kruger.

Barnum is partnered in e2b Capital, with former head of William Morris Independent, Cassian Elwes. e2b Capital represents a variety of financiers for films, actively helping them select investments and overseeing the production and delivery of the films. Additionally, he's a partner in Fortitude International, the foreign sales and finance company that was launched in early 2014 with partners Nadine de Barros and Daniel Wagner.

Matthew Helderman, CEO, Bondit Media Capital

Matthew Helderman founded Buffalo 8 Productions in 2012, as a feature film & commercial production company growing to deliver projects to clients such as Sony and Lionsgate. Under Helderman’s leadership, Buffalo 8 has built a full library of content – touting 4 premieres at the 2016 Sundance Festival – a roster of commercial directors, a talent management division and a full post-production facility. In 2013, Helderman co-founded BondIt Media Capital to solve the multitude of financing difficulties found in the entertainment & media business — by 2017 BondIt had participated in the financing over 200 feature film projects ranging from low budgets to studio level productions. Helderman graduated with a B.A. in Philosophy with a minor in English from Lake Forest College. Helderman has been a featured speaker at the Cannes, London, and Bahamas Film Festivals as well as guest speaker at the Chinese US Business Summit.

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