Screenwriting : Game Changer!! Veo 3 iS thE futurE by Mark Films

We all knew this day was coming!

What we see bothering Hollywood is the least of the Industries worries, what they should and are terrified of is Googles New Veo 3 where anyone can create a TV Show, Series, Short Film and or a feature as good or better than them. Great for Indies, but bad for them. Writers, filmmakers, directors, producers, Actors, and staff will all be gone with the flick of a prompt. It is already here and it is SCARY GOOD!

This is something I've been trying to get people to understand for a while. Writers aren't the ones at risk of becoming irrelevant. It's everyone else in the process.

The AI material that I have seen is something that our brains instantly reject. Then process it as animated. Playing with the thought that we begin to accept it as real. Raises the question what it'll do to us. Is that when we begin to identify as cats or Barbie dolls?

Mark Films Like I said in a previous thread about this, someone like me who has no money and no connections might consider this but I would only do it for a proof of concept trailer or if I had a project where I really couldn't get anyone on board. But otherwise my sense of ethics would kill me. Especially if I could pay for a team.

I find it super exciting, just as the era of cheap and accessible video cameras shook the world with The Blair Witch Project and literally created the indie film industry, this new ai movement will shake the industry again, what will come, no one knows. There will be shit but there also will be genius.

My 3 longest no-budget comedies is each slightly more than 100 minutes long. I can film that in 100 hours and edit in a few hundred hours. Plus a few hundred hours of work for a limited number of actors. And some administration. A total of 1,000 hours. And 1,000 dollars. What does AI cost?

I have tested AI. And can imagine that I will use it on a limited scale for special effects and such things. But I am also disappointed. Wait a long time for AI to create a video clip which is just a few seconds long. In most cases one must try multiple different prompts before the clip looks what one wants it to look like. And the companies want to be paid. So AI costs so much time and money that I am not very impressed by it even though the advertising looks great.

And there is the problem with AI slop flooding the internet. So I avoid creating anything looking like that.

Goran KNOWS. He MAKES films. But there will be a Brave New World. Quirky, lovable strange writing cannot be AI. Same with great camera work. JMHOP. This BNW is scary and approaching quickly. As I said before, give AI some instructions for an adventure script and you get Indiana Jones, complete with an eccentric professor.

I totally agree with you CJ Walley they will always need creative people for the prompts and ideas.

This Veo 3 and others are going to change and destroy so much of the industry as we know it Wal Friman

Soon all you have to do is upload your script and Voila, your film G.R. Barnett

That is for sure Eric Rosner and it will crumble and fall uder its own weight soon as it becomes more and more like Blockbuster.

Imagine you can upload your script and or idea and your 100 minute film is done in minutes Göran Johansson and Jon Shallit

Mark, have you seen any RPG like RED DEAD REDEMPTION? Getting close already? I am writing one now.

And this repost... Why should we expect our students to be able to read for scriptural allusions and figures of speech, images and cross-references and patterns of meaning, for symbolism and beauty and the resonance of phonemes, when everything in their education is telling them that reading is a skill that they need to make money, and making money means filling in the right forms to get shipments from China or contracts from India? Why should we expect our students to enjoy reading when we have reduced their education to a series of bullet points that they might as well get from SparkNotes or chatGPT? Why should they care about reading when their souls have been rendered statistics in the calculation of our national GDP?

It’s true that reading, and the liberal arts in general, have been massively devalued since the early 1980s, as a part of the quantization that has followed the adoption of a purely materialist philosophy by the education system and society at large.

Mark do you use Veo 2 already?

Red Dead Redepmtion is a crazy game Jon Shallit

No masquerading Philo Kvetch but a Film Noir Reality.

Philo- this is just a repost. I didn't write the post. And I was a professor from 1977 to 2024. AND STUDENTS HARDLY READ ANYTHING. So I should know. And what they read they do not understand. I had to rewrite all the college texts, and even then they didn't read my rewrites. They look at their phones ansd social media. They do not read books. They don't read poetry. If something doesn't 'resonate', how can it if the readers have NO EXPERIENCE IN READING? I did a show of hands. "How many of you have read one book in the last year not assigned in class?'

Zero hands. I was in the trenches with them and you are an armchair general.

Not ansd -and. I have long covid and my eyes screw up.

Here is another repost. I DID NOT WRITE THIS...How many US adults score at literacy level 4 or higher? About 12%, or 1 in 8.

Since over 60% of high school grads go on to enroll in college, we know for a certainty that the vast majority of them are below level 4 in literacy. College kids are functionally illiterate. QED. But what about those level 5 literate types, the ones who comprise around 1% of adults? What can they do?

This is the subject of a recently released study making waves in the education world. Researchers decided to sit with current college English majors and see how much they understood of what they read. In other words, these are competent high-school level readers by any national standard.

So how do they do on more complex and archaic language, like Dickens? Not well!

We placed the 85 subjects from both universities into three categories of readers: problematic, competent, and proficient. A summary of our major conclusions gives some basic data for our ensuing discussion:

* 58 percent (49 of 85 subjects) understood so little of the introduction to Bleak House that they would not be able to read the novel on their own.

* 38 percent (or 32 of the 85 subjects) could understand more vocabulary and figures of speech than the problematic readers. These competent readers, however, could interpret only about half of the literal prose in the passage.

* Only 5 percent (4 of the 85 subjects) had a detailed, literal understanding of the first paragraphs of Bleak House.

To summarize even further for those skimming:

58% of students understood very little of the passages they read

38% could understand about half of the sentences

5% could understand all seven paragraphs

These are college students majoring in English. About half of them are English Education majors, which means they will be teaching books like Bleak House to high school students after graduating. But they themselves cannot understand the literal meaning of the sentences in the opening paragraphs.

Please-more movies about robots blowing up! That should solve this!

Prompting is nothing more than painting with words.

AI has made this a reality for many creatives who lack the ability to break into the industry, but have the desire and skill to do so, if not for all the gatekeepers and superficial Hollywood shills.

If you're a good writer, all this does is give you more power over your pieces while taking it away from those who would pervert it or ignore it outright.

This is an absolute win for those of us that desire accessibility.

The only ones that lose are those who've been building their empires on the backs of struggling writers who are the foundation of their industry yet more often than not get left over scraps after everyone else is compensated (and that's if they're lucky).

Put simply, if you have a good idea you no longer need a litany of middle-men; just Youtube, marketing, and word of mouth, then BOOM, you have yourself an audience.

Change with the times or fade into obscurity my fellow creatives; the future is now.

LOL -I didn't WRITE those posts. I said I didn't write them, and that they were reposts. And I taught music, not English. And yes, students had to write papers. And the fact they COULDN'T write is MY FAULT, even though I gave them extra help and samples?

And if I am such a hopeless idiot, why do people pay me to ghost write books and screenplays? What have you written? Have you made a full feature? And no material of substance on your profile? No loglines, etc.

I am sure you are a successful hairdresser. Send me a script sample. A logline. Anything. Post it here?

Crickets...

My daughter just graduated SCL with a 4.0 average every semester. I read to her every night when she was young. She is fluent in Russian and English.

When she came here at age 7 from Belarus, she asked me this...

"Why can't Americans read or write?"

I'm done reading or commenting on your armchair general posts.

I apologize for expressing myself poorly.

Yes, I can imagine that AI will create a movie in less time than it takes for a human to watch it. But that means a tool for computer games rather than movies. AI tools in for example Adobe Premiere Pro or Magix Vegas pro are limited, which tells something about how those two companies look at AI.

Unless I have misunderstood something. The companies which produce computer games have total annual earnings of a few hundred billion dollars. While the companies which produce film, video and television have total annual earnings of less than 100 billion dollars. So I was not surprised a year ago when I tested AI to generate videos, and had the impression that the technology appeared to better fit the former category of companies. I can imagine that the tech companies expect to earn 10 or 100 times more by selling their technology to such companies.

To put a historical perspective on the situation.

Neither film nor radio killed the theatre. Even though it limited the audience.

Television didn't kill radio. Even though it limited the audience.

Neither has computer games killed film.

There are people who watch movies while they eat, because in such a situation it would be impractical to play computer games.

There are people who listen to the radio while driving a car, because in such a situation it would be impractical to watch movies.

And to what extent will the audience like movies created by AI? The dialogue is cliché. The characters are cliché. Everything is cliché.

Besides, when I create movies, a large minority of my time is spent on proofreading. Telling AI to first write a screenplay and then turn the screenplay into a movie would be something like the following. A human watches the whole movie from beginning to end. And notes what must be changed. The human does this 10 times, which takes a week. After that, AI creates a new Movie, with some scenes changed. Another human proofreads the new movie 10 times. You understand the principle. And the result is simply a movie which is filled with clichés. There is nothing new in it. Distributors will know that the audience is hardly interested.

since I have created no-budget films, I know it is difficult to make a deal with distributors. For distributors it is impractical to have a gigantic number of films which each only reach a small audience. Better with a more limited number of films which the audience actually likes. So distributors prefer to make deals with those who have been ambitious, a problem for those who use AI to create.

"And to what extent will the audience like movies created by AI? The dialogue is cliché. The characters are cliché. Everything is cliché."

You purposefully misunderstand.

AI in this capacity can't function without instruction; ergo refined prompts along with creative skill provide the capacity to create great works; poorly written prompts/instructions/narratives will do exactly the opposite.

Don't be so one-dimensional.

No Jon Shallit I use invideo.ai

I totally agree with you Nathan Grimm and you are SPOT-ON that Ai is no smarter than the prompts we give it. Sucky prompts=sucky Ai creation.

Does anyone here use any Ai video generation to create their trailers of shorts?

Mark can it create a video game?????????????????????????

A trailer for one Jon Shallit