Screenwriting : Is It Just Me? by Brian Steinmetz

Brian, I'm sad to say, it's not just you. I see it too. Fortunately, there are some very kind and helpful people here as well.

Copy that.

Like on any social media site, just ignore the few bad apples, and enjoy the many many other folks who are helpful, supportive, and constructive.

Hang in there Brian. Some people have bad days. Some bad weeks, and unfortunately others have bad years. One must mine a lot of dirt to uncover a nugget. Keep panning... Take what you can use, and leave the rest. It's difficult sometimes. I have found much more encouragement (nuggets) than criticism or disrespect in my short time on S32.

That's the good, the bad and the ugly (blatant rip-off) of electronic media. Critics are going to criticize. Egotists are going to try to inflate their own egos. Everyone has an opinion but not all of them are correct. Just take it with a grain of salt and enjoy life.

Hiya Brian I second this as there seems to be a few out there alright but I like to think the good supportive members of Stage32 shine through also. Hey I guess haters always hate but if we band together we can chip them down bit by bit ;) Very nice to meet you by the way.

It's a not so bad.

I think people are like that period. Those that have to fluff their own feathers don't have the feathers that truly shine. I've had pretty supportive feedback overall, but one or two fluffers. Like Anthony said, take it with a grain of salt and rock your writing brother!!!!:))

Very normal behavior, but still unnecessary. I have been writing about this very human condition and begin to understand it more but it is counterproductive as we are all aware.

As always, I appreciate the comments, and I'm glad to hear most of you have had pleasant experiences here. Guess I'll stick around for a while!

Obviously!

I joined Stage 32 a few days ago. I received a couple of snarky comments right off the bat. But when I examined those comments closely I found a few helpful, useful nuggets! I guess we can learn something from just about anyone. But I'm glad the majority seems to be here for the purpose of helping one another.

Yes, it's not just you. You will learn quickly who to skip over and not bother pressing that "expand comment" link only to find ramblings of their own "success", negativity and nothing helpful. Most people are super nice though! :-)

I guess egos are everywhere. There is some wonderful and genuine people in here. So enjoy their company and let the others fall on their big egos. Welcome

The really cool thing about S32 for me is that once I sorted through the pouncing, self-aggrandizing egoists and posers, I've been able to narrow down my list of honest, helpful and ruthless (in a good way) resources that provide valuable feedback without blowing smoke or trying too hard to be liked - and I do the same when asked.

Such types are on every social network, and screenwriting does seem to bring out more than its fair share. They'll make the most noise, but Bill's right, you'll soon learn to sort through the dross.

The bad eggs always crack and rot away -- and if it doesn't happen soon enough we band together and push them along.

Must fight temptation to make snarky comment...must not point out the obvious...resistance weakening...need to keep this thread positive...better log off...

Hahaha! Funny how some....oops.....logging off.....James, I'm joining you...

I think it's all a matter of perspective and trying to understand what they are all about. I think we can learn from everyone.

LOL James and Jan

Job one: know the difference between and artist and the charlatan. My 87 year old cantankerous father indicated: "It's not the size of the font, it's the impact they've had." You're in good company, Brian. The artist will always shine.

Nice comment Michael. Genuine people don't need to sell themselves with ego. Material written from the heart has its own powerful voice and tends to find its own audience. I don't use social media a lot because there's too much mindless drivel written but there are also some wonderful pearls in the sand too, its just a matter of stumbling on them (finding the right people to communicate with)

Yes the ego is what gives the spirit motivation while in the physical plain. (I read those books. My own latest book touches on this too) To bring Brian back into the chat, You have to decide how much time you want to spend online with these community sites, discipline, as Michael points out is the key. I used to teach film making and loved the scriptwriting classes as they always generated a flood of ideas from the students. Happy to help you if I can Brian.

Also just to mention that when you ask a question to hundreds of creative people, you will get back hundreds of creative answers - learning from all types is good, even if you are learning what advice NOT to take. There is always more than one right way to do something as well. It's the negative comments like - "There are no good scripts, there are no good writers anymore" that I try to ignore.

I believe I may have been the catalyst behind this post. I stated to Brian in his log-line post that I couldn't be bothered to give any advice if he was going to be contrary. I apologise for being so curt. A long day of writing had left me a little surly. I certainly have an ego, and I do struggle not to let it do more harm than good sometimes.

It takes all kinds to help mold a great writer. Advice is something you either use, discard or think about. Some people may have ego's but sometimes the advice given between the ego can be beneficial. I have been a writer for 20 years but as only one short story ever got published, I kind of short change myself when with all the courses and advice and writing I have done I should be teaching the craft. But even with years of experience I am still a novice until I can actually sell something and sell it well. So if anyone wishes to read my work and give critical advice connect with me, I am hard and can take a lot of rejection after all I have had 20 years practice. Any day now I am going to be a top screenwriter and a bestseller....I will rule both markets...any day...now...any...oh come one give me criticism so I can get there...hurry now I am not getting younger...

To be honest I find the ones who complain about things to be the people with the bigger or more fragile egos. And it usually comes after some advice they didn't want to read/hear.

You know what I say about over-inflated egos Brian. Sit back, relax and see what colours and impressions they leave on the canopy when they burst. Egos are a required defence in an industry where the knives come out before the Steristrips. Best to let your talent talk before you do, and keep your own ego in check when the accolades flow in.

CJ's a mensch.

Oy vey!

Hey Brian, why don't you call out the specific egos and disrespect instead of this passive-aggressive post? Otherwise they won't know who they are.

The majority of us here on Stage 32 are helpful and positive. It takes a village, right? Don't let a few bad seeds or their comments ruin it for you. Thick'n up your skin people! :)

People also have bad days. I say some stupid shit on facebook then have to come back and apologize. But I remember that day. and George is still doing it to people. He does have a problem. Sometimes certain people just get under your skin. So Brian it is not just you, however continuing to point out a bad thing is not supportive either. Alle seems to have made a full, mature recovery from that day. CJ too. Thank god I had my ego removed a couple of years ago. It hurt for a while but thanks for being concerned.

Combativeness creates animosity. "Calling people out" serves no purpose and is self-indulgent. I don't care who you are or what level of experience you might have, treating people with respect is always the better choice. Being more knowledgeable about something does not give you the right to be rude. The hypocrisy shown here sometimes is astounding to me. Okay, I'm going to finish my "motherly" rant with this; it takes two (or three or four or more) to fight, right? No one is innocent here. Please, can we just move on? :) Best to you all!

I agree Beth.

A hearty Amen!

Beth for president!

Beth, if you need a campaign manager, I'm in! :-)

Thank god that's over...

You guys are too much! xoxo

The way I look at it, it's like eating fish, you eat the meat and do away with the bones. you don't get mad and don't eat fish because it has bones do you? No, we just grab another and gobble! gobble! Those that are disrespectful are the bones, I just discard them and enjoy the meat. :)

IM THE BEST ON STAGE 32!!! Lol joke haha :P

That is very good advice Oriel and beautifully worded! Talk about hitting the nail on the head! I also have a funny memory while on a job I was roomed with a redneck guy who every time we disagreed on a subject which was always he would end it with "Haters will hate" heck what could I say everybody feels what they feel weather we agree or not. Ego is both a blessing and a curse we all struggle with like Oriel demonstrated with Randall it is best to tame this beast and see what will come!

Im intrigued Leon. The BEST what?

I've been here awhile and the audience has changed.... I agree with you. I also noticed some folks turning this into a "Facebook," no one helping or collaborating anymore, just adding....

I owe you a cheeky little cuddle for that compliment, Lyse :)

Beth for President, CJ for cool brother!

Brian, totally agree with your read on this. love the way some characters just pop off the page 'so to speak' just like the hero's and villains in those stories in development :) i wonder if the screenwriting lounge could do with a smaller dance floor and less karaoke.

I'm not rude just rather quiet. Hi all :)

Who are these rude people you all speak of? I've been here a few months and not seen anything rude. Heated sure, blunt yeah, but that doesn't equate to rude. Sometimes I feel like people just talk, but don't really think about what they're saying.

Oriel.... I know what you're saying... don't let them beat you. Just ignore them and only enjoy the positives. Forget the negatives... they're everywhere... going nowhere.

I find that the best way to deal with those who say suppressive things or invalidate others or to deal with people with egos - who try to squash other people - is to remember that the number one sign of a real professional - a personal who really knows - is wisdom and kindness toward others. Real professionals don't have egos and they don't treat others badly. A real professional is not a critic and if he ever does criticize he does so in a way that is helpful and supportive of the other person. People who criticize just to be heard or to squash someone else are amateurs. They cover their lack of knowledge by invalidating others to make themselves look like they know. When someone REALLY knows they don't feel the need to make everyone else know they know - they just know. They don't have to prove it to anyone. They also, know how hard it was to become a person of true knowledge therefore, they don't treat others who are trying to get to that position like crap. So just ignore these people - they mean nothing.

It's not just you. But there's some good mixed in there too, as many have pointed out. It doesn't take much to figure out who's who.

Well said Egypt!!:)

Oriel, I have learned whose posts to just scroll over and completely ignore. It would be nice to "block" certain people so you didn't even have to see it. There are a lot of people on here that are really nice and do wish to offer advice and do so in a positive, professional and encouraging way, instead of tearing you down. But I do know exactly what you mean. All the best!

yeah we get it Dan. you keep telling us you don't care. you're better than everyone else. we get it. though you have enough time to tell us you don't have enough time.

Ignore the haters who have endless time. While they are hating, work on your shit, that'll teach them,,,

Brian, It's not you. It's the nature of the beast. (unfortunately) I saw/see that a lot on LinkedIn Screenwriting groups and once one person flings mud, it snowballs from there. Many people unwittingly perpetuate the problem by talking about the problem, like I am here. My coping mechanism is when it gets to a pissing match. I don't reply or post. Anyhow, new here and looking to learn. Just posted some of my loglines and my riveting photo! enjoy.

George -- You'll find a lot of raging egos in the 'aspiring writer' world. And because of that, I'm not on here that much these days. I was at first really excited about this site, but quickly discovered it was mostly amateurs. As a pro screenwriter, I was looking to network, find writing gigs and get my work out there -- but when I found it was mostly people still learning the nuts and bolts of the craft and how the biz works, I quickly lost interest. That said, I wish you all the best luck.

It's interesting that Carole, as a working pro, wanted Stage 32 to be a pro networking social network. I, as a "pro-am" (6 options and counting, but no outright sales, just a microindie I helped make myself), thought there would be lots of amateurs on the site. I was hoping pros like Carole would join and in some utopian vision, help mentor the newbies as well as forming projects themselves. Perhaps Stage 32 needs to be compartmentalized, where actual gig postings can be set apart from the general networking at large. I would love to be hit up by a producer via Stage 32, but haven't yet. Part of it is my own fault (neglect of my own page) as I got greater success through my rep and places like InkTip.

Edward, as with most things you get out of it what you put into it. I've been in the industry for many years, wearing many hats, and I get hit up for work frequently on here -- in fact, probably about 75% of my work is word of mouth and I have also been hit up by producers interested in my material. So it does work, but you have to put the effort in.

First off, you say "ego" like it's a completely bad thing. To be creative you have to be just a tad narcissistic because you're basically saying you have something to add. If you had no ego, you would say movies are fine as they are they don't need me or my vision or my take on things. If no man or woman had an ego, a whole lot of cool things would not exist (also some bad things but that's another topic). Personally I believe that you will never make it unless you have a bit of an ego. Key word - a "BIT" - you also need perspective, humility and the habit of treating people with respect.. but if you don't think you're just a little special, better than the average hack out there, I don't think you will get far. The A-list/B-List and C-list people I've met and/or worked with ALL have egos - some of them treat others with respect and some don't - but they're not just these aw shucks i'm so lucky to be here people - they're trying to push the boundaries of what they're capable of. They see a version of themselves a couple steps ahead from where they're at and they're aspiring to reach that state. That is a healthy creative ego. I don't see how this is any different from sports. If you go into a game you have to believe or tell yourself you're the best player out there. And personally I don't want to work with people who don't have a bit of an ego.
Secondly, creatives are necessarily sensitive but you have to develop a thick skin. It will make you stronger. The path IS rejection. I remember one of my first scripts I spent 6 months writing and thought it was so good, and a teenage coworker asked me what my script is about and I excitedly told them, they winced, shook their head, and just said "Crap, nobody would want to see that, man..." -it hurt, kinda felt like i'd been punched in the stomach, but he wasn't a "hater", he was just giving me his raw, unfiltered opinion as a consumer. After this happens a couple of times, you learn to take on people's criticism without taking it as personally.
The West Coast approach of let's just give positive encouragement all the time to anyone doing anything creative is misguided and results in people not getting proper feedback. Instead people need to get the direct feedback like I got from that teenager - raw and unfiltered. THAT will help you progress. It may not FEEL good but then the question is do you want to feel good or do you want to make great films and be successful?

Edward, why put the "pro-am" qualifier, you've sold options, you are a PRO. Wear it with pride bro

George, you came on here offering nothing, basically demanding free consultation, and you have the nerve to think you have haters. You need to wake up. I'm saying this to help you. From what I saw of your storyline, it seemed like you had some cool ideas, but your attitude is a problem. Nothing is given to you, you have to PROVE to others that you can help them.

Yes but Dave, just because someone says it sucks doesn't mean it monumentally does, and the same for when someone says it's fantastic. Criticism is only helpful when it's truly constructive. It's literally all opinion out there. I believe there's an audience for just about anything. Even blockbuster money doesn't mean it's good.

Let's not forget that Stage 32 was setup by one guy (RB) who simply wanted amateurs to have access into the industry. There's simply nothing else like it, it's free, and it's in it's infancy. Sure it may not live up to some expectations, yes there are the usual egos, but getting butthurt about it won't achieve anything. We all individually need to be the positive change we want to see. We need to think less about the help we want and more about the help we can give.

of course it's best to get constructive criticism but there's nothing like a dose of what an audience member would think to slap you with reality, and being immune to that yet able to absorb whatever truth might be there is a key skill to develop. Haters are very often people close to you, who don't like how what you're doing affects how THEY feel about themselves - they're usually NOT strangers. Strangers respect talent and want you to be good for the most part - so their feedback is to be trusted even if it's a basic "YOU SUCK" - it's a very tiny percentage of the population that would rip a stranger just because they enjoy doing that. I see it even in hiphop boards or on youtube - a notoriously harsh audience - if you're not good, they will be merciless, but if you bring something good, they will give you their full respect and support

@ Dan -- I've been working in the biz for almost 20 years working for various studios and networks and writing full-time for 8, and yes, there are some raging egos, but most people are really busy, working hard, and very nice. For example, I worked on a script of mine with the exec producer of THE LORD OF RINGS, and honestly, he was one of nicest, most down-to-earth people I've ever met. I almost worked at Ridley Scott's company for the CFO (Ridley wouldn't approve the expense), and I found everyone that worked there to be bright, fun, dedicated -- and very grateful to have such an amazing job. (The lobby was done up like BLADE RUNNER. Amazing.) I could go on and on, but you get my point. Another reason I joined Stage 32 was to promote my services as a screenwriter-for-hire, editor, mentor and teacher -- and have been very surprised to find out nobody was interested. I do know that sometimes a raging ego is covering up what's really going on -- fear. Some people are afraid of success. It can be scary stuff. When people hear my credits, sometimes they're intimidated, which always surprises me. I'm not THAT successful. Okay. I'll get off my soap box. I send you all nothing but good vibes. Keep living the dream. And remember, there will be hundreds of 'no's' until you finally get that 'yes.' All the best, Carole

My point is if I were the billionaire exec in charge of green lighting projects, Fast and the Furious, for example, would be buried deep in screenplay purgatory. I'm a stranger to all who made that so my opinion isn't personal to the makers. However, enough people thought it was so good that six or seven sequels followed, which kinda makes my opinion moot at that point.

I think people need to understand how a network works. Those that are pro's should use this platform to guide and build new blood not break it down and brag about your accolades. There are brilliant writers out there who have amazing movies but they could be crap at promoting their idea and that is all that is stopping them from maybe surpassing some of the pro's on here. If I was at the top of my career or middle and I recognized someone that can over take me I am still not going to try hold them back by demoralizing them. There is plenty of Hollywood to go around. Don't be threatened, lets guide and help as many fellow Stage 32 networkers to be the best. And if they have a really great script and you are in the right place promote that script, give freely, because one day it comes back to you. You never know when someone might surpass you and be in a position to help you because they remember the day you helped them.

George, when you say "all I'm asking," please do understand that the most casual look&comment (and I mean nada, lol) on a script is a three hour process. I usually put in 10 (that I'm willing to admit!) when I do notes for friends, but I'm a nut. It's why people pay for coverage or notes. You may find that you have more luck finding folk willing to do that sort of work for you in a writing group, where it's a tit-for-tat sort of process. Please process that it is no casual thing to give away a whole afternoon of your time to someone you don't know, when we (all of us, here) have people we have physically interacted with, who can use the same sort of help (completely putting aside the concept of family obligations and our own wee writing). I don't think you're being dissed by no-one responding. -- You may want it to be that sort of forum, but I'm not sure it is, and being aggravated at strangers who are unwilling to do you a massive favor is not the best use of your time. My very best wishes for you.

George is misrepresenting the response he has had on here. The fact is about a dozen people have patiently tried to help him with his script.

Yeah, except you’re not naked and lack daily food, you want to get your script made into a movie. Big difference. I frequently give money to homeless people on the subway. Now you're using biblical verse to try and make people feel bad. Put your stuff up, try and get people to give you feedback, but if you don't get as much feedback as you'd like, then make it more appealing for them, instead of calling them haters, acting entitled and like the rest of the world isn't as holy as you because they won't review your stuff or do your heavy lifting for you.

Three hours, minimum, George. And that's under-rating what would be needed, here. Yes, we all need to help one another more. I will, indeed, be leaving the house in an hour to help out for 5-or-6 hours building sets at my kids' school. Lawdy, buddy, I posted a link to an actual (three minute) marketing tool I "created" ( self-deprecating quotes!!) that no-one else is using and asked for feedback and got nada. -- This (admittedly passive-aggressive, lol) mention is as close as I've gotten to drawing attention to it. It's not that kind of forum. And you are spending your adrenalin to rail against what you have already clearly seen. I went to your Wall, yesterday, and posted a link where you could send me your file. I, then, discovering it, went to see your file, and it was so out-of-format and would have taken so many hours I didn't know where to start. So I, quite cowardly, went back and deleted my note and came here and gave you some advice. I'm sorry it wasn't actual physical help, but for human reasons I listed in my first response to you, that isn't always possible. Honestly, books (or research) actually are the answer. It's how I learned, and I've had some (not-in-any-way-big!) success. And, honestly2, it's why the first people who read my script for me (people with whom I had a relationship) didn't have to spend the first two hours teaching me how to properly format. I like David Trottier's Screenwriter's Bible, by the way. I use it at least once, every time I'm writing. So, yep, I just took 15 minutes to write all of this, without (by your standards) actually helping you. Why didn't I spend that time helping? Because I would have read about 25 pages of your script, and nothing more. You are right (sigh) We all should help each other, more. -- But you're spending your time kicking against the pricks (low hanging fruit there, don't bite), when you could be helping yourself, a bit. Sorry I'm a jerk, but it's the way I see this situation. Best.

Michael Sieve, kudos. Wish I'd written that. ;)

George, I have SO been where you are. I feel your frustration and understand why it sounds like no help when people say read books. In fact, I really only just "got" what I should be doing a few weeks ago-and this is after 18 years of working on this craft. I couldn't spend all my time on the craft because I was and am still raising 3 kids and working. So it may not take you or other people so long to "get it". You really do have to read through all kind of screenwriting books, attend seminars, take classes etc to learn not only the craft and structure, but also what works for you. It's like finding the perfect outfit-not one that simply fits or lays over your body, but the best cut, fabric, colors, etc that perfectly complement your specific body. You won't find all pieces in one store. You will have to get a shirt here, pants there, shoes somewhere else. Craft and fit don't come in one neat package. I wish there would've been one golden apple approach to my screenwriting education, but the truth is one size simply does not fit all, and it took me a long time to figure that out. Even when you do figure it out, there is always more to learn and you as a person will evolve-which in turn, transfers into your writing.Hope this makes some sense:). If not message me and I will try to elaborate more.

LOL George i've only been on here a few days and already discovered there is a troll under the bridge.

Brian hang in there... SOME of us are here to help, learn or connect, while some just LOVE to hear the sound of their own voices...figuratively of course. I personally don't care how good or how important someone thinks they are, constant self aggrandizing in the "disguised" form of a critique or comment is in poor taste and after a while it becomes like the boy who cried wolf...

George actually did make some postings about his work (just heading off that response), but, brother, this should show you that Oriel, who's a very supportive contributor, here, simply didn't see them. It's not always people dissing. -- I really have never had someone come to a forum with a piece of a work and asked for comments on how well it functioned. It really is important to have some knowledge of the industry standard, in order to give people a place to hang their thoughts. And I hope you're taking advantage of Dan's kind offer: he's a pro and has offered his time to guide you on a short bit of your work.

George, actually, I'll make a similar offer to what Dan did, and because I wish I had thought of his solution, I'll make restitution by going one better: If you would like to point me to a scene or 5-6 pages in your existing file, giving me context to what you're trying to achieve, there, I'll format the dern thing for you to industry standard and offer my thoughts on how it strikes a reader. Please keep in mind that Dan is a money-making screenwriter who has offered his services. Take advantage of that offer.

@George. Sorry about your experiences bud, it can be pretty rough in this industry. However, there are a few of us out there who aren't megalomaniacs so please don't give up. You just have to go through a lot of dirt to find the precious stones.

I'm getting a great idea for a screenplay: a group of writers on a blog who can't seem get along. Genre: Dark comedy. What do you think?! :)

Stephen Williams.... you're off topic here.... this is not the thread for your request. Start your own and more people might respond.

Sorry, just a joke. A bad joke, admittedly. My apologies. :)

Stephen that's a great idea. George could be the protagonist and his antagonist would be us personified in a character called Allison.

Hahaha Stephen. You got me.... guess I thought your idea was terrific.

... and see, all one needs to completely misconstrue something is to have missed the joke, lol. -- No harm, Stephen, and no foul, as far as I can see. Now as to criticizing the actual structure of your joke, I, with my vast experience, find that ... ;) I'm labeling all of you, "Aussies!!!"

One more thing: all roles would be played by child actors. :)

I take offense. I am a screenwriter, author AND an actor and have no ego. But enough about me, let's talk about you. What do you think of me?

I think you are wonderful. You want to borrow my ego Jack?

Jack Bennett. I think you're a very funny man. Thanks for the giggle.

George sorry but I looked at your screenplay the first (well I hope it is the first scene it was a bit confusing to read) the only thing I want to say is get the attention of the reader in the first page. I did not want to continue reading as it felt drawn out. Before you get mad I only mean at the moment as I have not got time to read the whole thing...so don't feel you have to defend it, when I get time I will read it and see if my first thought is right or not. But from the classes and courses basically if the screenplay does get read it must captivate in the first page just as a novel would. In fact the first lines, the first introduction of the main character, something must make a person want to continue reading. I have been rejected alot so it is what I have gathered from being rejected. Do you have it saved in a better format like Final Draft?

Kathryn & Sylvia. I don't know you or your skills at screenwriting but it is clear you are both excellent judges of Character.

The catalyst is George asking for help and when people offer him their limited or naive form of help, he gets angry. very angry. now he hijacks a nuclear submarine with plans to run it into Australia to destroy all his bad memories. Aren't you watching?

Of course George has figured out that the Aussies have secured the harbor in the beginning of the second act now he must figure out how to destroy the all his bad memories and experiences. Now he's kidnapped RB the founder of the website that caused all this trouble. He's strapped him to the head of a nuclear missile and is threatening to blow up Sydney if they don't take down all the hurtful comments made about him during the summer of 2014.

Don't be cruel, thinking you're funny.

Yes, not funny at all.

Why do people feel the need to berate others in forums? If you don't like what someone says you can call them on it but to ridicule and make immature comments is uncalled for.

Sounds like you've run across some of the same folks I have. :) Forgive me, but I actually searched the replies and not just to absorb the feedback. I admit I was looking to see if any of those trolls were posting here to either be themselves or rah-rah the common sentiment and proclaim their own innocence of such behavior. But, one thing to consider. Artists have to some ego. Even the most compassionate and humble have to have a strong feeling of self-worth to feel their work is worth seeing by others. This isn't a Gordon Geeko 'Greed is Good' comment, I promise. It does take some sense of identity to want to labor and produce something for other's consumption. Now, the ratio of work to self-promotion though can vary WIDELY. And as has been pointed out, the more often someone is on sites like this promoting themselves, that's less time crafting their art and vice versa. However, the writers who are successful have to balance BOTH. You can be a poet laureate in your den as you peck away, but if people aren't seeing your work where are you. Conversely, some writers are great at schmoozing and hitting the scene, tapping away at some hot coffee shop to get noticed etc., taking phone calls. Often though, THEY are the ones who get work.

Sorry, I was only referring to Dillon's last posting: " (George) must figure out how to destroy the all his bad memories and experiences ... and is threatening to blow up Sydney if they don't take down all the hurtful comments made about him during the summer of 2014." It's only my f'ing opinion, lol, but I think that knowing someone is sensitive about this situation and continuing to turn the screw (a third and fourth time), isn't paying much attention to the possible feelings of the "recipient." -- I wouldn't do that at a party, where I had witnessed all of the above, including George's obvious pain, and so I wouldn't do it here. Again, only my opinion, and, actually, not meant to be spotlighted this hard: mine just meant to be a passing comment, above:

It was worse, per me, a week ago when I first started actually browsing here. People were sayin' any demn shite that came into their ba-rains, lol. These couple of threads may have had an effect. -- Now if we could move past the "when I worked with Lawrence Olivier and he praised me on my mental acuity" stage, I'd count it all as a definite win. Have you had some problems? I do believe this is the thread, for that, if you need to kvetch.

This thread just out and out confuses me with the back and forth.

Agreed. Time to bail.

Pretend Moffat's writing it. Sense within fugue. ;) And some comments got deleted ...

more like chaos parmi ego... time for a new adventure.... i will leave the rest of you to muddle through enjoy folks :)

oh, like I'd live here, lol ...

What is wrong with you people? I love George and have encouraged him to pursue his dream and I continue to wish him well. I know first hand what it is that needs to do, read some books about screenwriting. He doesn't want to do that. I remember writing my first script without knowing about Syd Field, Linda Seger, Blake Snyder and I could go on, as I've read over fifty such books in the last couple of years. I know about the overwhelming sense of doom you feel when entering an unknown domain that screen writing was at the time. I resisted buying Final Draft for two years by insisting I could do the same thing with word. The same thing goes with my thinking that I understood the nature of a plot. Then I bought some plot software and my eyes were opened again. George doesn't seem to want to do that. He wants us to do it for him. And I know He is on this thread and I hope he still regards me as a friend. But really this website will not replace a good education. And lastly you people who want to get off this thread, good luck. I've been on many threads I regretted being on and you just have to wait until the discussion dies. They also make it difficult for you to un-network someone. So until we get tired of beating a dead horse, you do live here. And a nuclear armed submarine is still headed for the Aussies whether they are ready or not. Ha Ha Ha.

I've been on this site for about month and I've found it to be enormously helpful. There is such a wealth of experience and insight here. I'm met some very SMART, NICE people who truly care about helping you focus and refine your script ideas. (Yes, there are people here who just want to be "right." But I think they tend to be the minority.) All in all, this is a fantastic resource.

I've found overall most people are extremely supportive and more than willing to help in a positive way. As so many others have said; don't let the few negative people keep you from using Stage 32 :)

Honest, agreeing with Dan. There are, of course always belittling people, but they are few-and-far. You do get pointed-and-gruff. Wish that one weren't true, but, hey, people are busy and you have to make them want to make room for you in their day. In general, the actually belittling folks are damaged or wish-they-were-more, -- and the constant "people say this about me" or name-dropping are always small fish wishing they were more. Always. No bigger indicator. -- I have been guilty of a name-drop, myself, out of nervousness, but try to make sure it's only in personal conversation, where I can make up for it, somehow, lol. Rudeness, tho? That's an f'ing sin. Hi Brian! Good thread!

We can do better than that. So you don't feel so bad George?

what happened? What have you seen? Im new here...

Apparently someone has been using my huge ego to make arrogant statements about my friend George. It is really unfair to me!

you're a funny man Dillon.... thanks for the giggle.

George, I hope you took Dan up on his kind offer. I made one, too, and I'll stand stand by that (but now after the 6th, as I have a deadline). Oriel and a couple of other people went to what you had presented and offered their thoughts. Just saying, I have people who owe me favors, that have given me less response-to-help than you have gotten here (along with some ribbing, most of which has been light-hearted, and a very small bit of which Brian was addressing in his OP). I hope you don't allow yourself to feel bitter, as it will not serve you. Full stop. Good luck on the writing. I very much hope it goes well for you.

oh stop wasting time on someone who doesn't want help. Why are you pushing it? There are plenty out there that do want help.

Good for you George! Your first script is the hardest which attests to the struggle your having. Here is another tidbit. When you get to page 90 consider winding up to the end. You have a big conflict then end it. More important, understand you are writing to a group of people called Readers or Stage runners, or worse Producers. Now with that in mind your first three pages need to catch the readers attention. No grammatical mistakes, no spelling errors, not too much exposition and your dialogue can't be too "one the nose". Don't insult your reader. Then when you are done with that first draft go out and celebrate. When you get back home from Bermuda to Jamaica, or where ever. Look at your self in the mirror and say, "Okay I just wrote my first draft." Screen writers refer to this as the terrible first draft. Now you have to figure out what you did and how to fix it. I'm proud of you so far.

Hey don't tell George what to do.

George, not sure why you're posting your WGA registration number here on this thread.... or anywhere as a matter of fact.

I'm confused. Is this a completed film? How can it have a running time and rating (which is trademarked by the MPAA so it can only be used after they rate the completed film)?

If you are still writing it, this is massive cart before horse. Only 1 out of every 10 screenplays purchased or developed ends up being made into a film. And the percentage of screenplays purchased is incredibly low. Why not wait until the screenplay is finished before talking about it? At this point, you have no idea whether you will even finish it. And once it is filmed, edited, rated, and released you can tell us the official running time and MPAA rating.

More statistically accurate. But basically: it's best to brag about accomplishments after you have accomplished them.

I didn't read through over 200 hundred comments, sorry to say. I read a few at the start and what not, but I'll chime in here. The reason so many people feel this way on these types of sites is because usually they are saturated with people who have written one or two screenplays. They tend to be the majority. Most times, these people have yet to even read over 10 screenplays that have been produced professionally and written professionally, let alone 10 screenplays from the last 5 years, which is clear and simple market research as a screenwriter. Then, there is a small group that joins these sites, and I continue to ask myself why I do it, because I am one of them, who have worked hard at this profession for over 5-10 years, maybe more. This hasn't given me an ego, but it has given me less patience for people who ask the same questions, write the same way, etc. But, as most people should do in my position, instead of being jerks, snarky, pompous, and know it all's, is just not answer the questions from amateurs that are simple google search results. Then you can't get frustrated, you don't get involved and things are wonderful. But, as you have noticed, there are a few people who have maybe sold a script or one has been made into a movie or they think they've made some amazing work and they are maybe 3 baby steps ahead of a new person to the craft and they thrive on telling people they are no where near where they are. There are many different kinds of people in the world, different writers, and I don't judge anyone by their experience, only by their work. If I see a first time script and it compels me to read past the first page, damn right I'll do it. And if the story hooks me right away, I'll even give the best feedback I can. But if there are minor errors that simple google searches and reading scripts could fix, I don't have any time to waste reading your script. I'm sorry, but if you don't have the time to research and write it properly, you don't deserve my time to give it feedback. As with anything in life. And I think that's a respectable and fair condition from someone like me. That said, I'm open to read anyone's script, at least page one. If I get past page one, I promise to at least give the best feedback I can in the first 10 pages or more. But if page one doesn't hook me, my feedback would simply be, go read more scripts and research more on how to write a compelling story. Then, this type of response would sometimes garner a response of hurtful pride or shame. And if you truly haven't done the research and haven't studied and haven't read screenplays, and you expect to be praised as a genius because you think you're amazing by writing one script without ever reading any, you should know that no professional, semi-professional or even those quasi-professional will take it seriously. And they will jump at the chance to put you down, or just ignore it. There is only so much praise you can take from other people who have no clue until you get a reality check by people who do. And I try to make that reality check as honest and open as possible, which sometimes people think I'm a prick with my editing, other times they thrive on me giving them the only honest feedback they sometimes can get. The only thing these types of communities offer is someone who doesn't have to look at you every day, or on christmas or any time, reading your script and having the attitude of "I don't need to be nice". And if you're an amateur that really wants to thrive in this business, finding someone who will tell you how it is, is the most important thing you can do. Because if you think some people here have egos, welcome to the business my friends. Most producers hire people to hire people who then hire people who hire interns to read your scripts. And they don't respond if it's shit. If you're lucky enough to meet real producers who have access to funding and financing, expect to have your script torn apart and told you need to add a dog in somewhere. This isn't a business for people who can't take a brick to the face and push through it. You must have skin as thick as brick. And all that matters is the end results. The last thing I'd say is this, these communities are usually oversatured with people who don't even understand what it is to be a "professional screenwriter". A professional screenwriter hardly ever writes spec scripts. They hardly ever get their own work produced. They sit, write from a beat sheet from a producer who has a development deal to make the next big budget blockbuster, indie film, drama, whatever. And 10 times out of 10, multiple screenwriters write the same script, steal your scenes and make them better, remove your crappy dialogue in spots, etc. This business is literally a bunch of people making one sculpture. This is where someone usually says, unless you end up being the next "so and so" who calls the shots themselves. But, that won't happen until you've sold at least 10 things. Worked on a few TV shows. Proven yourself as a marketable writer, worked with multiple big industry execs who enjoy your company and been recommended to them by trusted emplyoees or friends. Work hard at finding a big name that thinks your the next best thing since bacon wrapped fried turkey's, and you'll maybe have a shot of making the script you want. Until then, expect to get hired to rewrite the dialogue for Sharknado 3.

Thank you for keeping that short Jeremy. I completely see where you are coming from. And I just realized that I don't have a chance in hell of becoming a professional writer. Okay, you are in an enviable position. But I don't think I would like the high stress life you describe. I would not be able to keep up with doing someone else's bidding. And in light of the professional writer's opinion I choose not to consider it. I am just learning to write scripts in the last five years. It has been an incredible journey. I have 7 scripts that are like bad first drafts but I keep coming up with some great loglines and story ideas. And I am dying to tell people how I broke up one bad script into 7 back stories. It appears "Readers of scripts", their brains can't handle more than 5 characters at a time. So I made up 7 stories of how they all reached that fateful situation of my "big story". Using the format readers understand. I didn't know you could only have one protagonist at a time. And that the antagonist should arise out of the protagonists personal goal. If it were not for the internet and the places where the non-professionals hideout in the darkest corners of Stage 32, MyTeeVee, Inktip, Zoetrope, Blacklist and a host of others. I would not have been able to write like I do now. I think it is good for me to get on these sites and act like we don't know what we're doing, be it non-professional. It sounds like you are a little judgmental, condescending and jaded. But welcome to my network buddy!

Dillon, it's a dog eat dog world. In any business. Even more so in the film industry because it is a huge business that centers itself around money and pride. Who can make the best movie. Who is the best director. Who is the best screenwriter. They even hold televised events to give themselves trophies to reward such things. Egos are existent. Big ones at that. Spielberg even said to an Oscar winner, you got it this year but next years mine. I think most people have a story to tell, and the idea that anyone can be a screenwriter is most definitely true. Especially in this day and age. But being a professional screenwriter is something that is far different. If you want to sell a script for 10 grand and make a movie, there is high opportunity for that. If you want to be the next big thing with millions and think that you're going to have an amazing house and make a rich career off of your writing, start writing remakes or comic adaptations.... Not your own material. That's all I was getting at. I'm not jaded, I'm just working hard and need to find someone who is the next step for me. I have my first written film in post, should be done by the end of the year, plus multiple script pitch packages I'm in workings with for people here in Toronto. Once I get one more under my belt I'll start heading down south with some ideas to the lower budget horror companies or thriller companies that produce movies with C-D list actors for foreign market revenue. Then, if I'm lucky, I'll make a film like Piranha 2 and get in a room with someone who believes that a film like Terminator might be a good investment because by making that crappy B movie, I've met some bigger people who see some merit in my writing. If not, I'll keep making low budget Piranha movies until I can. Usually the expectations of screenwriters is the next best and biggest thing. When really, we should be happy to work with someone like Jake Busey. I will encourage and push everyone I can, but I am not envious. I know it takes hard work. I've had my reality checks. I've had a film made from my writing. I have seen first hand how and where I can improve. I still consider myself aspiring.

I think there is room for all of us writers. I think that when fate aligns itself that will be our chance to shine. I believe that I will not get anywhere being a crab in a barrel. I believe when God wants something great to happen, it will happen. Until then, I will keep writing so I can be prepared for the blessing. Nothing good comes from putting down another writer.

wow so much negativity George is excited about his screenplay and I think many of you have forgotten the first few screenplays you ever wrote I am sure you wanted the world to love them like you did. Time and a difficult industry makes you all rather jaundiced towards new writers. I am sure George has Google'd his questions it is also just great to ask advise from people in the industry longer, sort of mentorship. George needs this positiveness for the long ride ahead. George don't give up even if you still have to rewrite it 20 times. If it really is not a good enough story then you will know and scratch it and write something even better. There is a saying that goes "Practice Makes Perfect". When I wrote Witchwars I loved it, I got everyone to read it, my husband never reads but he read this cover to cover and really enjoyed it, I knew it will be a hit...but not at this time I put it away and pulled it out later and I see what needs to be changed....what I could not see before is now clear. I know it may still require a few more rewrites before it is ready. Then that is only half the battle won, the rest comes when you have to sell the pitch...I just have decided a long time ago to never give up.

I just don't see a problem with supporting each other no matter what level we are. Even those in the business started somewhere. When I get my production company up and running I'm going to make it my mission to get new or unknown talent working. This business has a ridiculously large "invisible wall" making dreams nearly impossible for anyone who's mommy or daddy isn't already in it. The system needs a serious revamp. I don't agree with doing work for others, but support amongst artists is essential, in my opinion.

Brian, I've noticed a few here but not as many as I've seen on some other boards. Like most other areas in life, those who brag and berate others the loudest are usually the most insecure and starved for attention. Me? I'm just glad to have a muse that wakes me up at 2:30 a.m. with great ideas. Ya know, noon would work better for me but I'm not complaining. ;-D

I just started but Im looking forward to seeing what happens :)

My apologies Oriel I should have mentioned those that have given positive advice and help. You were one of them.

This whole thread started by pointing out how some people here are so disrespectful. It has opened my eyes to a potential problem of my having something some of you are perceiving as an ego. I don't think I have a big ego but I have noticed a small lump on the back of my head. And arrogance, Oh the arrogance, I've heard that before but in my heart I know I am not superior to anyone. I am just starting out writing screenplays so I don't know Jack except for the countless books and hours spent trying to revise a few bad ideas I've had. I had big expectations for being a screenwriter and they are not diminishing. I have been very open as to my amateur status while trying to assert some levity to the conversation. You people are my only screenwriting friends. As for George, YES I do know what he needs to do. He needs to write his story. I think for him to get past page 44 is a great accomplishment for someone who has never read a screenwriting book and who seems to want others to write the story for him. I am glad he is getting on with it. I hope my prodding him and making snide remarks has helped him to see how hard writing a script is and how not many people are going to help you for free. Go George. In conclusion, is it just me or are there some disrespectful people on this thread? It is just you my friend. Hey, I don't get no respect I live in Tennessee!

Okay, I would love to address two things. One, @Amyana - Wait until you get 500 screenplays sent to your production company a day and then you can decide if you think you want to fish through a sea of complete and utter crap to find one gem, or pay ten people to do it for you, or one hundred, or more.... Every person I know that knows nothing about how the business actually runs says things like this. They have this weird mindset of being the "INDUSTRY HERO!". Do you think there are no nice people in the industry? There are. And all studios who get scripts sent to them open them and read the logline or first page. Then throw it in the garbage. Second @Marilyn - Don't ever say "I gave the script to my husband and he loved it" to try and sell your script. Of course your husband isn't going to say, this is a piece of shit. And of course he has no idea what the hell a screenplay even is, not to mention you said he hardly reads. Give it to someone who reads 50 first pages a day and throws them in the garbage. If they don't throw yours in the garbage... You've got something. Sorry if this sounds insulting. And lastly, the whole point of this is that some people are obviously far more bitter, experienced in failing but still working hard and doing a great job. I'm not going to lie, when I was in film school, I wrote better than anyone else in the class, the screenwriting teacher pulled me aside and worked with me one on one, I thought I'd be in the industry the moment I stepped out of school, not the case. I had a shit ton to learn, I have a lot to improve on and the only ego I had was when I thought I'd get into the industry with my first screenplay. That's a huge ego in my opinion. Not a person who has been through the trenches on here telling people how it is. The reason why you might feel these people have a huge ego is because they are crushing yours. Or at least the idea of who you think you are. The main reality check for anyone is that if they are a first time, second time or even third time writer, don't think you're anything amazing or special. Thinking you are is far more an ego than someone who gives it to me straight.

I'll help ya, I only responded to this thread, not your help thread :D. I'm new here, send me your script, I'll give it a read and give you feedback.

George, I have felt that too and then I realize that it's that exact scenario which cultivates my own inspiration and the fight to share becomes my muse. I feel ya brother. :)

Behind every great man or woman, in their shadow stands the next. Be careful how you treat people, you never know what they'll become. Help when you can...

@Czerny Lee Miller - I don't utilize the idea of "what if" to garner my behavior towards people, neither do I subscribe to the condition of kissing ass to people because I think they might be something big some day. I treat everyone equally. I would love to read everyone's script. I would love to be inspired by someone who is amazing, I would love to reach out and have discussions with people better than me. So please, send me your scripts so I can learn and grow as a screenwriter. I am being earnest, this isn't sarcasm. Text read by the individual perspective is a dangerous place, which is why I don't like online communities. Because people read things from their perspective. And if you are a defeated, insecure, self loathing person, no matter how anyone tries to give advice in the written form, you will take it how you interpret it. So please, I say again, I will read anyone's script (at least the first page). Send away! I have no inhibition to send mine, to someone I would like an opinion from. I would love to work with people who have been optioned, sold, and produced before! Because that is, what I feel, my next step is. To be told my writing needs improvement and how to fix it from people above my status in the industry.

Wow Jeremy you really are amazing! Glad to meet someone who already knows everything about me, my ambitions and my need to become the Hero of Hollywood. That is precisely what I was saying!!:)

Thanks for the lengthy comment, Jeremy, but it wasn't directed to you personally... just an inspirational post to those who could relate.

@Amyana I'm sorry you couldn't handle a snarky remark directed at you when you, yourself, made one about people having "mommy or daddy" in the industry. Does that mean people don't need to work as hard to be good? I don't know who you are or what you do, but the mindset of "only wanting to discover talent" is silly. Just like any "BUSINESS" or "CRAFTSMANSHIP" filmmaking takes a team of people. It doesn't matter if you know anyone or not, and people who are "good" and had good influences as a child because their parents worked hard to get somewhere, should not be considered irrelevant to the industry. Just like any industry, idiot kids can inherit business. But when someone like PT Anderson comes into the business, with a father and great friend as cinematographers, you can tell he worked hard to learn from them as best as he could. And he had the opportunity to do so. You can't be upset by that, just go out and find your own opportunity to learn. Anyhow, everyone is on their own journey, you will all do as you wish and learn how you wish. As I said about egos, I find the most insulting ones those that belong to people who have written one or two screenplays and think they deserve the spotlight. Not someone who gives harsh reality checks.

I myself have had a couple of run-ins but for the most part, I have had almost all positive, and only a couple negative encounters, but since there are so many people commenting here, I'm going to go ahead and take the time to plug my script for reading as I could use some constructive criticism http://studios.amazon.com/projects/58713

I would love to hear some thoughts on the script and even if someone would be interested in collaborating in future endeavors, then please feel free to message me as I would love to hear from you or even possibly work with you. Thank you, Jade Sharp

@Oriel, then meet those people. If that's the only answer, spend all your time meeting them, following them and making sure you get in a conversation with one. There are over 200 development executives in Dreamworks alone. Find one, sign up to their gym, and pitch your idea. If you believe that's all it takes. I'm not saying it doesn't help, of course it does. But it's not the only way the business works. Just be good. Work hard. Meet people. I was stating that knowing anyone or not does not make one "good" at what they do. People who know people and still execute well made films or scripts, still work HARD. To think that just knowing someone is enough to be GOOD at what you do, is unrealistic and hilarious. Also, talent means nothing if you don't work hard. There can be hundreds of talented people, people win a contest with a script, then get into a room and realize they need to do 20 rewrites and give up, get frustrated and can't stand that type of work. I'm trying to give insights to people here who have an "idea" of what this industry is. It's an industry of money. Egos. And workaholics. If you have money, you can have an ego, if you are a workaholic, you will make it eventually. If you have money, know someone, plus are a workaholic and also posses talent, you're great. If you think you can't eat, sleep, breathe writing and compete with someone who does, you're only fooling yourself.

When doing reviews I try to compliment and point out their strength before I tell them what in my opinion needs work. Then I point out it is their story and they have to make the decision to change or not. If I am the only one making the comments than maybe it's just me. If they get two or three with the same notes than they really have to consider changes

Wow I'm just getting to this and I'll be the 233rd comment but I just wanted to say "Hang in there" amigo. I think there's going to be egos everywhere you go but especially in a creative networking site. We all know that what we do is our product and we should be happy to talk about it. That being said, the ones who flex their egos the most usually have very low self-confidence. You ever need to talk/get advice/give advice or just shoot-the-s___, I'm here.

David Fincher has one of the biggest egos in the business. He tells people to fuck off constantly, does 30-80 takes, same as someone else, Stanley Kubrick. If he were giving you the advice that some people give here, you would worship it. The idea that people who have big ego's are the most insecure, is something insecure people say to help fluff off criticism. See how easily I can just create a judgmental statement and flip it around too? The only ego that matters is your own. Try not to be a know it all, have respect for people and give advice. Simple. I've yet to call anyone a name or tell them they are a bad writer in this thread, I've offered nothing but help and tried to give advice through my experience. If you want some advice on how to push your writing further, you know how to get in touch.

Other than creating a marketable product, networking is essential. Stage 32 is an excellent venue to not only share your work, but also to meet those who may help expedite your projects. The most important ego for one to control is their own...

@Oriel - You said this exactly - "Majority of people in the industry are related to some big shot and have only gotten their positions due to their legacy and last name." This shows how inexperienced you actually are. Did you know that over 40,000 films are made a year that would be considered in the realm of a full length feature production with over $200,000 dollars budget? There are usually a crew of 30-50 on low budget indie features, sometimes less, sometimes more. That's 40,000 x 30 people, being modest and not accounting for some of those films that have 200 to 300 to multiple thousands of people working on them. Even still, I'll be modest and say 30 people. That's 1.2 million people a year who work in the film industry. One point two million. I say again. 1 point two million people all knew someone. And that's being modest. The actual number is in the hundreds of millions. And they all know someone. Not to mention, every industry works under this structure. You meet someone, you learn and begin to trust them, they say, "hey, I know this guy" when you want something done, you take their word for it. It's called word of mouth. Instead of bitching about it, become someone's word of mouth. The reason why I also hate this type of stance is because there is one clear and simple fact here: It's far easier to become someone's friend than to make a great screenplay. Why, then, do so many people still act as if it's hard to get in the industry if all you need to do is know someone? This is an excuse to act like you have a harder time at being "GOOD" than other people. Not that you're having a harder time at "GETTING IN THE INDUSTRY". Go be a PA. Go work in a studio reading scripts. Go do the producers laundry. Hey, you know someone now, it's a cinch right? My point is, stop making excuses and start being good. Work hard. Meet people. Impress them. Get in the industry. It's no different than any other industry, anywhere, ever. In fact, it's even easier to get into this industry than most because you have so many outlets to prove yourself and to meet people. A carpenter can't post his amazing work online for people to hire him, unless it's just a photo and people happen to find it. There are countless industry websites for people to post their work, get it viewed, watched, read, worked out, competitions, etc. If you win, you get noticed. Simple. If you don't get noticed, work harder and figure out why, then improve. It's not a hard formula.

I haven't peeked on this thread in a while, but have we tilted the record yet?

I mean nepotism in Hollywood is not really a new thing but if someone has talent and is willing to work hard then there is ultimately nothing to be ashamed of whether you succeed or fail, especially if you're willing to take the lessons learned on to the next phase.

I have to concur with Jeremy on one front, to a certain extent you have to forge your own path. I've won or placed in contests in the past, but now because competition's improved or judges have changed, a lot of times I can't crack the 2nd or 3rd round anymore. I've just been optioned for my 7th (!) time, but none of those options have blossomed into feature films. All the time I kept writing. I'd like to think I kept improving, but maybe not. I shot two shorts. Were they any good? Eh, but I learned a lot, and my writing improved because of the experience of working with actors and trying to direct. Now as my brother pushes ahead in directing, he looks to me for the writing side. Between us, we are shooting features. Anything big? No, but we've cracked a few festivals. And despite all that it's still frustrating, because one wants to believe their stuff is good enough to be noticed by the big boys, and I don't have that validation yet. There are days when I think I'm not bad, and other days I think I suck terribly (especially after the aforementioned contest cuts) and that I'm fooling myself. Yet, I press on because I love writing and I love filmmaking. I don't love any other activity or career the way I love this. In the end, the only way to get better at this craft is to learn as much as you can, try as many things as you can, and throw things against that glass ceiling until it shatters at last.

The good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge-Bertrand Russell

I am new to 32 and already had the opportunity to read a couple writers first ten pages. Hope I helped. :) Question. Is there anyway I can unfollow a thread? Thanks Jack

I think you can click on the little blue flag above the posts. Your inbox should stop crying for help after that. ;)

I'm not here to make enemies. I'm here to better myself as a writer. But my biggest pet peeve is people who want something handed to them and think they are great/good or better than anyone else who deserves a chance to become a screenwriter. You deserve nothing but to work hard, get good and get in the industry the only way you can/know how. Utilize what you learn and use it for your benefit. I give a specific kind of feedback, I don't really care if your story is good or not, that's not for me to judge, how you write your story is the feedback I will give to you. There is no point in listing credentials, all that matters is that if you want my advice, it's here for you, if you utilize it to get better, great, if you don't, great. Everyone learns and develops their own ways. If I have offended you in my comments, I apologize, I am only offering advice.

Just sayin', this is my new favorite thread. No snark; you guys are impassioned and entertaining as hell. Anybody coming to Shriekfest, I owe you a drink, no lie. Blessings on you all.

Mr. Thornhill I enjoy hearing your rants. I've been loading those long lists of scripts with my junk since 2012. I thought my script about a tornado hitting a Tiger sanctuary here in Tennessee was a great idea. No it's not called Tigernado. But I've never heard a kind expression about it. It sucks, now I know why. But that's not what I want to say here. You have unique perspective on the other side of writing. The other day I thought of the funniest story ever. and you can help me either make it funnier if you have a sense of humor or support the insanity of a script reader. I am going to start a new thread called script readers to explain the concept. Hope you'll look for it.

It's more all subjective than a crap shoot. Some people really love sitting and watching big machines punch each other, some people like watching aging retired wrestlers give it one last go as a final goodbye to a washed and worn life, it is what it is.